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Jul 21, 2016 at 19:52 comment added Ben Voigt Nicol, while I agree with you that editors don't need direct access to a VCS backend, I think you're totally wrong when you say the complex merging scenarios that modern VCSes support aren't useful for Documentation.SO You admit that better forking/branching is needed, but that's pretty useless until you have a way to merge/reintegrate from multiple branches as well, along with some voting on which parts should be merged, and then you basically have built a VCS.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:57 comment added Nicol Bolas @BartekBanachewicz: And if you did that... what would it change? You'd still have a "huge red wall" because that's built into the interface, not the back-end. Whether those changes are Git revisions or some other database thing, they still would show up in the interface, and you'd still have to deal with it. The back-end is not Docs.SO's current problem.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:54 comment added Bartek Banachewicz @NicolBolas Why do you assume that "it takes far more than that to get a pull request approved"? I am not saying that SO should literally take github code or call edits "pull requests". PRs aren't built-in into git, neither is the voting mechanism or their approval. Git merely provides a platform to take changes and manage them. Whatever mechanism you build on top is entirely up to you, and you could literally rebuild current approval mechanism simply utilizing git to merge changes and warn about conflicts (instead of that huge red wall of "others are editing").
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:40 comment added Nicol Bolas @BartekBanachewicz: "then I believe the solution with voting for PR merge is equivalent to voting for edit approval." ... how? It takes 2 people to approve an edit. Presumably, it takes far more than that to get a pull request approved. And even then, someone must certify the vote.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:39 comment added Bartek Banachewicz @NicolBolas then I believe the solution with voting for PR merge is equivalent to voting for edit approval.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:27 comment added Nicol Bolas @BartekBanachewicz: "There have already been proposals thrown around that tag badges or rep should dictate control over tag docs." But since those proposals have not happened, nor has there been any suggestion that they will happen, it's irrelevant. As it stands right now, Docs.SO is built on a model of all editors being essentially equal.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:23 comment added Bartek Banachewicz @NicolBolas There have already been proposals thrown around that tag badges or rep should dictate control over tag docs. That's not really different from contributor lists. Besides, open source projects still have PRs that are voted on by community, which mean pretty much everyone interested. Having a few people that actually approve the commit isn't the real issue here, and you could replace them with automatic voting altogether anyway.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:21 comment added bwoebi @Mysticial It's hilarious, I totally agree, but perhaps SO docs are not the place to do that... :-D (But just perhaps :-P)
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:21 comment added Nicol Bolas @BartekBanachewicz: "GLTF is managed on github and it works great." Because there is a small cloister of people who own it. They decide what goes in and what does not. It's not everyone being equal the way Docs.SO wants to work.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:20 comment added Mysticial @bwoebi That's the kind of edit-war that I would love to watch in real time. People fighting over formatting or US vs. British spellings - that would be hilarious.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:20 comment added Nicol Bolas @KonradRudolph: "the answer would be something like the collaborative editing in Google Docs; not the current solution here." Is that not what I suggested in the last paragraph? An improved system for doing things like that?
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:20 comment added Bartek Banachewicz "We just need to be more formalized" - but that's one thing that you get for free with a VCS. And I absolutely don't understand the remark about a "small cloister" of people. GLTF is managed on github and it works great. There are projects on GH with thousands of contributors to a single project and it still works well. The backend access was merely a "nice-to-have".
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:19 comment added bwoebi Something like google docs is too realtime I think. In worst case you have editwars and nobody from outside really sees who's at fault.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:17 comment added Konrad Rudolph I think you are completely wrong in this (i.e. PRs and radical restructuring is tremendously useful here). But even if you were right, the answer would be something like the collaborative editing in Google Docs; not the current solution here.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:16 history answered Nicol Bolas CC BY-SA 3.0