Timeline for Is it worth having guidelines for highly colloquial and comedic writing styles?
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Jul 5, 2016 at 14:11 | comment | added | Servy | @hichris123 I'm well acquainted with those posts. Considering that you're asserting that people are abusing votes by expression their opinion of a proposal for questions not tagged "feature request", it sounds like you need to read through those linked posts (along with some of the other posts Shog links to in his answers) to see why that assertion of yours is wrong. | |
Jul 5, 2016 at 13:51 | comment | added | hichris123 | To each their own, @Servy. Anyone is of course able to vote the way they wish... some thoughts on this topic are found in Voting on Meta is not just for (dis)agreement. Update the help center to reflect this and Downvotes on Meta are confusing: do they really mean poor-post quality, or just disagreement?. | |
Jul 5, 2016 at 13:46 | comment | added | Servy | @hichris123 That is there to describe how people tend to vote (and it does so rather poorly, at that), not to describe how people are obligated to vote. | |
Jul 5, 2016 at 13:26 | comment | added | hichris123 | @Servy On posts tagged feature-request, voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself. I'm sure there's been posts on mSO or mSE about this too. | |
Jul 5, 2016 at 13:22 | comment | added | Servy | @hichris123 It's not abusing downvotes to use them to indicate whether or not you agree with the proposal of a post, even if it's not tagged as feature request. It's an entirely appropriate use of votes. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 21:32 | comment | added | halfer |
@hichris123: I am happy to hear you view, but I can't think what up or downvotes would mean here unless they were reflecting (dis)agreement. The comments seem to be 50/50, too :-) .
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Jul 4, 2016 at 20:07 | comment | added | hichris123 | Only on [feature-requests] are votes on a question meant to signal agreement/disagreement, @halfer. Some people unfortunately misuse them, but an upvote on this question doesn't necessarily mean they agree with your premise; likewise with downvotes. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 17:34 | comment | added | halfer | As it stands, given the wide difference of opinion, I am minded not to edit, and it would probably be best done by a Pythonista anyway. I note that the poster in question has seen this post but not responded, and I would much prefer any amendment is done in a collaborative fashion. Thanks for your input. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 17:32 | comment | added | halfer | I'm not particularly invested in guidelines, my thought was just a couple of FAQ or Help Centre sentences, to be honest. Our best data so far is that the community is largely evenly split (26+, 23-) on this issue, so unless you have data I'm not seeing, it is not just "affecting a few people". True, the Meta readership is not the main readership, but then the casual readers may not care either way. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 17:18 | comment | added | Ingo Bürk | P.S.: we should only have policies for things that result in a big net benefit. Otherwise we have policy creep. I see it at my work all too often that people agree on pages and pages of policy and guidelines until no one reads or knows them anymore. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 17:15 | comment | added | Ingo Bürk | @halfer My point is not that it only affects a few people. My point is that some people prefer this, other that. If this was about a vast majority, it'd be an easier argument to make. That doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing, it just means that imho the conclusion is that we can't satisfy everyone equally. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 16:37 | comment | added | jscs | Re: "reference quality" see Joel on Software for some consideration of the problem of writing technical stuff that people will actually read. @halfer | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:23 | comment | added | halfer | "Exactly. For some." - you have not made a grand QED here, in my view. If it affects some readers then it is worth discussing it. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:22 | comment | added | Ingo Bürk | @halfer "for some readers" – Exactly. For some. And for others it's the other way around. I find this much easier to read than "academic texts" because this keeps my interest up much better. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:08 | comment | added | halfer | (FWIW, I don't think "reference quality" is the same as "dry". It is possible to have a lively and fresh style without needing to have quips and memes in every paragraph). | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:07 | comment | added | halfer | I think the answer to the question about allowing a user free to write comedic posts has already been stated quite plainly: it's because the style is, for some readers, both difficult to read and irritating. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:06 | comment | added | Ingo Bürk | @halfer To the second point: of course we don't want "broken" posts, but some care more about typography than others is what I wanted to say. :-) And the last point I'm still not sure this is good enough for me. Books can have a more lively writing style as well and rarely are written as dry as academic texts. There seems to be a lot of room for interpretation to me. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:05 | comment | added | Ingo Bürk | @halfer But using the proportion per user rather than across all of SO seems arbitrary to me. Why can't one person have a more "comedic" style while others have a different style? And why is "some" comedy alright just because we all enjoyed one post a long time ago? | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 10:44 | comment | added | halfer | "Reference quality being defined how?" - as per the ordinary English meaning of this phrase. Textbooks, Wikipedia, instruction manuals, programming tutorials, academic texts etc. generally aim for reference writing. The community would be losing its focus on quality if it has to have a discussion about what reference quality actually means! | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 10:41 | comment | added | halfer | "Some care about grammar and typography in their posts, others just wan't to get the information out" - no, this is just plainly incorrect. Wilfully wrong grammar and punctuation here (done for stylistic reasons) is heavily discouraged - we've discussed this on Meta several times already. We try to be understanding of people whose first language is not English, though. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 10:39 | comment | added | halfer | I won't upvote this, as I broadly disagree, but thanks for the effort in writing it up. It is good to capture all views. I may respond to the broader points, but "what does occasionally ... mean?" is easy to answer. Here I mean that, as a proportion of a user's written output, only a small amount is written in a comedic style. That covers the zalgo regex answer. | |
Jul 4, 2016 at 10:30 | history | answered | Ingo Bürk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |