Timeline for Beyond confused about question and answer reception [duplicate]
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May 23, 2017 at 12:38 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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May 16, 2016 at 14:03 | comment | added | Geeky Guy | @RadLexus If you have to say "why not A", the question was not clear enough. If the OP has to say "I have tried A, B and C", they need a rubber duck. | |
May 16, 2016 at 13:44 | comment | added | Jongware | @Renan: "I tried A, B, and C" is not noise! With, potential answerers can avoid the obvious and get right to the solution; without, a slew of comments may follow, all in the vein "why not try A?" "I tried A and it failed because .." "What about B?" | |
May 10, 2016 at 17:39 | history | closed |
gnat HaveNoDisplayName A.L Toto Louis |
Duplicate of Tried to add a self-answered wiki-post, but just got downvotes [duplicate] | |
May 10, 2016 at 17:32 | vote | accept | Semicolons and Duct Tape | ||
May 10, 2016 at 17:16 | answer | added | Steve Summit | timeline score: 7 | |
May 10, 2016 at 16:54 | review | Close votes | |||
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May 10, 2016 at 16:39 | answer | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | timeline score: 17 | |
May 10, 2016 at 16:21 | comment | added | JonH | I'm just here to say nice to see you @Jeff Atwood | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:52 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | I'm with @Gilles - how to find particular file in Windows is on-topic (probably dup) on SU, but really does not look valid on SO. I can see OSX users unable to use underlying OS commands, but Windows has both UI and CLI search... | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:45 | comment | added | Gilles |
If this is deemed on topic, shouldn't I just create a long series of similar questions. Q: Where is X installed on Windows? A: Use where to find out. Replacing X with a series of programmer tools?
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May 10, 2016 at 15:16 | comment | added | Barry | @JeffAtwood Research effort is bullshit - you're saying the OSX question is better because it has a bunch of pointless noise in the question. I want to see clear, precise questions - not paragraphs of guesses by OP that I have to wade through to find it. | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:11 | comment | added | gariepy | I think there is a bit of class division here...for expert programmers, questions like this have no utility, but for the novice programmers (who will always outnumber the experts) it does. It's [slightly] elitist to say "you're a programmer, you should know how to search a hard drive." I've been programming for 30 years, and I still learn new, basic things on SO all the time. I think this question is offensive to those who expect/hope for SO to NOT be a resource for novice users, which it clearly has become. In my opinion, there's plenty of room for everyone here. | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:06 | comment | added | Geeky Guy | As for showing research effort - if I have the same doubt as the OP and I am looking for a solution, I don't care about what does not work - I care about what works. If I see a question where the OP says "I have tried A, B and C and they didn't work", then A, B and C are noise. I would edit those out of the question to make it more concise. | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:03 | comment | added | Semicolons and Duct Tape | @Renan thanks for that. I appreciate the vote of confidence. | |
May 10, 2016 at 15:01 | comment | added | Geeky Guy | Just cast the final reopening vote. Your question is good. | |
May 10, 2016 at 8:59 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @JeffAtwood I don't much care about effort, but I agree that it's a little ugly to see the question getting lots of upvotes that are clearly from meta voters; that's significant rep being gathered without any utility to others being demonstrated. I disagree that the question clearly doesn't have such utility; the asker clearly needed to know this information, so it's entirely realistic that other people will too. I don't like the Meta upvoters, but I also don't like the downvoters, because neither of them seem to really be voting based on evidence of the question's utility. | |
May 10, 2016 at 8:40 | comment | added | Jeff Atwood | it just doesn't seem worth the minimal amount of effort -- typing up this meta question was probably 10x the effort -- and ultimately comes across as self-serving, as a way to generate rep based on a question I'm not sure anyone actually has. Clearly lots of people had the Java on OSX question. That's not the case here.. overall it just feels bad to see this sort of question and answer pair out there. Where's the effort? Where's the utility to others? So I'm not surprised it got downvoted. | |
May 10, 2016 at 8:36 | comment | added | Mark Amery |
@JeffAtwood But it's an immediately self-answered question. Showing "research" is of arguable value most of the time (anything beyond "this obvious approach foo(bar) looks like it should work but fails with a BlaError" or "there's nothing on the relevant docs page" is usually excessive, IMO, and even ordinary questions can be useful without that much, but most questions show far more than that). Making up some bullshit failed "research" to show for a self-answered question where you already know the correct answer, on the other hand, is just outright pointless.
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May 10, 2016 at 8:20 | comment | added | Jeff Atwood | the main difference between you and the "Java on OSX" question is that the latter question actually listed research and places the author looked for it before asking. You said "whoops can't find it, didn't search my hard drive for it, please help" so the natural inclination is -- you're a programmer, you should know how to search a hard drive? | |
May 10, 2016 at 4:51 | comment | added | user1725145 | Rob is right about SO not being a competition. Also, self-answered questions always seem to get a bad reception, despite being explicitly encouraged. | |
May 10, 2016 at 1:05 | history | edited | Semicolons and Duct Tape | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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May 10, 2016 at 0:07 | comment | added | Rob Mod | @Will What makes it off-topic? Questions about tools commonly used by programmers are explicitly not off topic. SO is designed to be a repository of knowledge and answers, not a contest to create the most difficult and interesting questions. Also, OPs answer was not 'search the hard drive', it explicitly gives a path for future viewers. | |
May 9, 2016 at 23:25 | answer | added | Tas | timeline score: 10 | |
May 9, 2016 at 16:34 | history | edited | honk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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May 9, 2016 at 15:29 | comment | added | Martin James | It's the same rubbish as the devs who would rather spam SO with a question than grep for their missing/bad declaration in the .h files:( 'Only java developers would upvote that nonsense' LOL! | |
May 9, 2016 at 15:05 | comment | added | user1228 | The more I look into that question the more I vomit. Look at OP's answer on it--"Uh, I didn't install what I thought I installed DERP" Only java developers would upvote that nonsense. It's the worst thing I've seen on SO in a long time. Here's some upvotes for finding that festering boil. | |
May 9, 2016 at 15:00 | history | edited | Semicolons and Duct Tape | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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May 9, 2016 at 15:00 | comment | added | user1228 | Ugh, that's pretty awful. Unfortunately, for every type of off topic question, you can probably find an older, upvoted example of the same thing. | |
May 9, 2016 at 14:58 | comment | added | Semicolons and Duct Tape | @Will which would be different from this overwhelmingly well received question how? stackoverflow.com/questions/15826202/… | |
May 9, 2016 at 14:48 | comment | added | user1228 | You're just asking where something was installed to, and your answer was to search the hard drive. Just because the software was anaconda doesn't make it on topic. | |
May 9, 2016 at 14:47 | history | edited | Deduplicator |
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May 9, 2016 at 14:44 | history | edited | user1228 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
People who say they're linking to a question but actually link to an answer *should* be savaged! Animals!
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May 9, 2016 at 14:38 | history | edited | Semicolons and Duct Tape | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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May 9, 2016 at 14:23 | comment | added | Laurel | Yes, I agree that SO is quite unreasonable with its habit of down voting sometimes. It's not enough to follow all the rules here. On other sites, (such as code review), they are MUCH kinder with their voting (if you follow the rules it's easy to get 2 or 3 up votes almost immediately). | |
May 9, 2016 at 14:15 | history | asked | Semicolons and Duct Tape | CC BY-SA 3.0 |