Timeline for Stack Overflow vs Database Administrators
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May 8, 2016 at 10:04 | comment | added | Pekka | If that ideal world state had existed back when dba.se was created, it would probably not have gained the necessary traction to take off. | |
May 8, 2016 at 6:38 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, "Some groups tend to separate and there's no one magical thing you can do to prevent that." Except that in this case, it could have been prevented simply by not creating dba.se, and just keeping those questions and answers within SO. And that would have left us in the "ideal world" state, as you called it. Even now, we can get back to that state by following the suggestion given in my answer. That being the case, I don't understand why my answer has been downvoted. | |
May 7, 2016 at 6:18 | comment | added | Pekka | Sure, in an ideal world, that is how it would work. In reality though, it's a hard problem with a balance that has to be struck. Some groups tend to separate and there's no one magical thing you can do to prevent that... and I tend to see it a bit like the difference between highly specialized physicians and your general practitioner. The latter you might not trust with a complicated cancer; the former you would never even think of bothering about a simple cold. | |
May 6, 2016 at 15:29 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, "Just because you can ask on both sites, after all, doesn't mean the result is guaranteed to be the same, especially if it's not a very good question." In your view, is that a good thing? In my view, it isn't. The SE network should be constructed to provide consistently high quality answers, & a good way to do that would, IMO, have been to address whatever problems with SO meant that some DBAs wanted to split off, instead of facilitating: the split, the inconsistency you mention, & the inconvenience & confusion for askers that resulted in the question at the top of this page ;) | |
May 6, 2016 at 15:26 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, "Who are we to say otherwise?" We are also users of the site(s), so our concerns should be considered. Those concerns might include: askers inconvenience by being arbitrarily expected, by a clique, to choose between sites based on arcane criteria; or the creation of overlapping sites leading to duplication of effort. "[DBAs wanted somewhere] they can be more discriminating to questions than SO tends to be, on average, and require more from the asker." Surely a better solution would be to keep standards high on SO by e.g. improving poor questions & closing/ignoring awful ones? | |
May 5, 2016 at 20:39 | comment | added | Pekka | Just because you can ask on both sites, after all, doesn't mean the result is guaranteed to be the same, especially if it's not a very good question. | |
May 5, 2016 at 20:38 | comment | added | Pekka | @sambablokuper I'm still not sure I follow... DB administrators (I assume; I wasn't there) were becoming frustrated with question quality on SO, so they decided they want a more elite club of their own where they can be more discriminating to questions than SO tends to be, on average, and require more from the asker. That's how it worked with Serverfault, and the result is demonstrably a community that is somewhat less tolerant of bad questions than SO proper - and if that's what it takes to keep the experts happily answering questions, that's fine with me. Who are we to say otherwise? | |
May 3, 2016 at 15:57 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, exactly my point! Yet the comment by Adam Davis that you linked to in your first comment on my answer, & which I excerpted in my reply, says "expert DB administrators were getting frustrated". That's the "frustration" I referred to. It seems you, like me, question that frustration. Personally, I think either there was no such frustration, or at least there was no good reason for such frustration. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but no-one's yet provided a convincing argument. Until then, dba.se's existence in addition to SO is not justified by the "frustration" premise :) | |
May 3, 2016 at 15:30 | comment | added | Pekka | I'm not sure I follow. DBA related questions tend to pop up on both, and they can be answered on both, where is the problem / frustration? | |
May 3, 2016 at 14:56 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, indeed, but that doesn't really address my puzzlement. Specifically, I don't understand why answering a DBA-related question on SE should ever be more frustrating for an expert DBA than answering the exact same question on dba.stackexchange.com . After all, the question is the same, the interface is the same, and the reputation gained for a good answer would plausibly be the same (or greater, assuming SE has more users). | |
May 3, 2016 at 8:35 | comment | added | Pekka | @sambablokuper the experts are the ones answering the questions, so their dilemma is more important than the asker's. There's an unlimited supply of questions, but a limited supply of free expert answers. | |
May 3, 2016 at 1:23 | comment | added | user82216 | @Pekka웃, "The main reason the sites are split is not because it's easy to find the difference between the questions, but because the expert DB administrators were getting frustrated with having to wade through a lot of unrelated questions to find those that they could uniquely answer." That doesn't resolve the asker's dilemma of where to post their question. Likewise for the rest of the comment you linked. Merging dba.stackexchange.com with SO, however, would resolve it. NB. I don't understand this apparent frustration of the "expert DB administrators". Can you explain it for me? Ta :) | |
May 1, 2016 at 15:12 | comment | added | Pekka | meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/322009/… | |
May 1, 2016 at 7:45 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Used the official name of Stack Overflow - see section "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name" in <http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section).
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May 1, 2016 at 0:52 | history | answered | user82216 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |