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Apr 27, 2016 at 18:48 comment added TZHX I know. I apologised to who I felt might deserve it. But, No. The "accusations" were linked, one and the same. They weren't even accusations (I never claimed or suggested that someone had done something wrong), simply a statement as to what happened. Again, I'm bored of this. It's been fun though. Have a nice day.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:40 comment added TylerH That's not the accusation to which I've been referring. Have you mixed up this discussion with another? I've been talking about your accusation of a call to arms in a chat room this whole time... I've even clarified that already.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:33 comment added TZHX Then I apologise to Ctz for the totally founded "accusation" that they made a meta post about their failed audit. I hope they can forgive my faux pas but I imagine (not putting words in their mouth, simply an assumption) that they just don't care.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:28 comment added TylerH I didn't say each account had to upvote all of your content. A crafty person would only use them sparingly and in rotation to avoid detection, of course! And yes, accusing someone of something is always a bold claim, due to human nature of being social creatures and therefore generally non-confrontational at the risk of alienating themselves from their community if found to be wrong, etc.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:22 comment added TZHX Then focus on the second part, the upvotes. How many of my posts have a score of ten? I'd be surprised if it's more than one (edit: I'm surprised, it's two). And I didn't "blame" anyone for anything, I was simply stating the obvious reason the post had been closed after weeks of no activity. It's not a "bold claim" when it's not particularly unusual for cv-pls requests to be posted in that room.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:18 comment added TylerH The difficultly lies in that user account emails and IPs are not public, so the claim that you have 10 accounts is not easy to prove or disprove for us. It would require a Stack Overflow employee. Also, voting history is not public.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:17 comment added TylerH If you see a link posted in a chatroom and think it is the reason for an increase in traffic, that's fine, and you can even posit that as you've done, but share the link without hesitation to support your bold claim! If you had done that and framed your notion better, the discussion could've taken a totally different track of whether there's a causal link rather than me trying to explain to you what evidence is and why it's important.
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:17 comment added TZHX That chat transcript is public. The meta post is public. My reputation history is public. Where does the difficulty lie?
Apr 27, 2016 at 18:15 comment added TylerH Actually the evidence is not easily accessible for both claims, but your tenuous grasp of logical concepts is an issue for another time. You're right in that I suggested you were pointing the finger at a particular chatroom, but that's not me putting words in the mouth, it's revealing the words you had in mind. That's a far cry from you claiming I said things that were totally different from what I actually said. It's not confrontational to expect evidence to support an accusation, in fact it's confrontational of you to make the accusation in the first place.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:55 comment added TZHX Anyway, that doesn't change that you put words in my mouth; before I put them in yours.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:52 comment added TZHX But, in this case I am correct. And you are not. The evidence is easily accessible for both claims. Your confrontational attitude demanding evidence when it would be easy for you to retrieve it yourself, and you assuming I "misrepresented" what you said rather than misunderstanding it when I gave you the benefit of the doubt shows me that you're not discussing in good faith, but simply being argumentative for fun.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:45 comment added TylerH Okay, well, you have 10 accounts that all upvote your questions and answers. I said it happened, so I don't need any evidence for it to be considered true, do I?
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:43 comment added TZHX I said it happened. What more evidence does there need to be?
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:41 comment added TylerH Without providing any kind of evidence to support your accusation, that's a reasonable comment to make. I'm immensely confused, by the way, as to how you consider taking offense to something as no longer acting in good faith. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:38 comment added TZHX You said: Leaning on the crutch of "blame SOCVR for close reasons we don't like" is really harmful to the community -- when I did absolutely nothing of the sort, I simply deduced from the available information why the post had been closed.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:36 comment added TylerH What have I made up? So far you've only misrepresented what I've said nearly half a dozen times and most of my comments have been attempts to help you understand what it is I really said.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:35 comment added TZHX And I'll introduce a request that you do the same.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:33 comment added TylerH I didn't call your post offensive. I called your aggrandizing comments offensive, specifically that you were attributing a persecution complex to me and putting words in my mouth. I'll repeat my request that you not make things up :-) I've acted in good faith the entire time.
Apr 27, 2016 at 16:23 comment added TZHX Oh, I hadn't noticed you edited you comment to include calling my post offensive. Well... that's interesting. I though we were all acting in good faith here. Clearly not.
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:41 comment added TZHX Oh, burden of proof. Yeh, because that takes precedence over common sense every freaking time. :)
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:35 comment added TylerH On another note, it's dangerous to say that those two factors are the undeniable cause, unless you can see referral traffic, which I doubt. :-)
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:34 comment added TylerH The burden of proof always lies with the one making the claim. It's not at all unreasonable to expect you to evidence something when you're one saying it happened. I didn't see it happen, and I'm assuming you did, since you're claiming it happened. Therefore it'd be less work for you to find the link than for me to look for it (you knew when it was posted, what it looked like, etc.). That's the reason I asked you to provide the link.
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:29 comment added TZHX ... That the attention Jay's post received was that lead to this post, was the result of a meta post and a chat comment, though, that is not deniable by a reasonable person.
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:29 comment added TZHX @TylerH Saying "I've been in the room all morning", and demanding evidence for something when you could surely find it yourself, well, I took it as denying -- sorry. That was a misunderstanding on my part. But, my sentence is factually correct. If the behaviour it describes is harmful (and I don't claim it is, SOVCR performs a valuable service, and were it not for obvious personality clashes with y'all I'd probably want to be part of it if I ever got to 3k rep), that's not on me...
Apr 27, 2016 at 15:20 comment added TylerH I haven't denied anything, please don't make stuff up. Can you link to that CV message in that chatroom? And also I'm not saying "people are being harmful to the community", I'm saying that your one half of a sentence is harmful to the community. I said what I meant, not something else. Your aggrandizement is untrue, misleading, and not constructive, not to mention offensive.
Apr 27, 2016 at 14:50 comment added TZHX @TylerH There was an explicit "please close this" message in a chat room. That's undeniable. There was also a meta post (linked to in the first batch of comments under this question) today. To try and deny that these two things contributed to the question being closed is ridiculous. You're taking half a sentence of my answer, spinning it to meet your persecution complex, and posting comments saying people are being harmful to the community. I blamed no one; I pointed out why the question got the attention it did from the two highest profile sources that matter.
Apr 27, 2016 at 14:45 comment added TylerH I don't know anything about a bad audit meta post; I came upon this one organically, and I've been in that chat room all morning. You may not think you're blaming someone, but it's pretty clear finger-pointing even when you make the supposition that "people were called to arms in a chat room". Even if it's true that people landed here from a chatroom, language like that is divisive and doesn't elicit constructive discussions.
Apr 27, 2016 at 14:31 comment added TZHX @TylerH I'm not blaming anyone. Try not to feel persecuted. Do you deny people were driven to that post from the meta post about the audit, and the post made in your chat room?
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Apr 27, 2016 at 13:36 comment added TylerH Before we start accusing certain chat rooms of posse or mob behavior, maybe we should find some evidence that that happened. Leaning on the crutch of "blame SOCVR for close reasons we don't like" is really harmful to the community, even if you're just insinuating it rather than outright saying it.
Apr 27, 2016 at 13:33 history answered TZHX CC BY-SA 3.0