Timeline for What to do about hundreds of the same basic question?
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Apr 3, 2016 at 0:20 | comment | added | user4639281 | I suggested somewhere a while back that rep gained from the questions that were later closed should be lost while following the same rules as deletion, which in my opinion would be the best for all parties involved because the closers would feel good knowing that the answerers lost their reputation gains, and it would prompt the answerers to edit the question into something that was reasonable and on-topic, or possibly deter them from answering unreasonable or off-topic questions in the future. | |
Apr 3, 2016 at 0:13 | comment | added | user4639281 |
@CodeCaster people who answer bad questions are doing something wrong Sure, in your opinion, and my opinion, and many other people's opinions for the reason that you mention as well as other reasons. However, there is no rule that they are breaking by doing so. If you wanted to push for something to be added to the help center (highly unlikely), that would be much more constructive. The fact of the matter is that, by the book, they aren't doing anything wrong technically. Does it suck? Yes. Is it against the rules? No.
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Apr 1, 2016 at 11:22 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @CodeCaster: Now don't go stealin' my format ;-) What I was saying is that YCS was implying nothing ever gets closed. That's as far from the truth as it gets. | |
Apr 1, 2016 at 11:10 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Cerbrus "There's just too much crap posted to close all of it" - so, that statement is not nonsense, there's simply too much crap to get five close-votes on all crap questions. I'd love to see you comment without jumping into it with both legs, for once. By starting your comment with "Nonsense", you shut down all possibilities for a positive conversation. | |
Apr 1, 2016 at 6:38 | comment | added | Cerbrus | "You will never get 5 votes for an offtopic question" Nonsense. Questions get closed all the time. There's just too much crap posted to close all of it. I'd love to see you write an answer where you don't draw shortsighted conclusions from your observations, for once. | |
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Mar 31, 2016 at 20:29 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @immibis I don't see what you're trying to get at. People should not answer questions that should be closed, period. The fact that they do, and do get upvoted at that, is in my opinion a problem, because it sends out a signal: no matter how bad your question is, you will get an answer. Various suggestions to prevent that have been coined, none of which are viable. So I don't know what we should do. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 20:26 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @CodeCaster Also, if people are ruining the site by not doing things, then the site has no hope whatsoever. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 20:26 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @CodeCaster Closing a question doesn't revoke any reputation given to answers on that question. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 20:23 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @immibis SO doesn't, the people not closing questions do. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 19:45 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @CodeCaster "People who answer bad questions are doing something wrong" - then why does SO reward them for it? | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 19:06 | comment | added | SergeyA | You can always downvote the answer as well :) | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 18:57 | comment | added | Travis J | So you would call me a liar rather than examine the points I make? That is a baseless accusation, as evidenced by your reluctance to cite data both in your attack and in regards to a lack of response to my points. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 18:47 | comment | added | Your Common Sense | "but they are also being removed at a reasonable pace" - it's a lie. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 18:25 | comment | added | Travis J | @YourCommonSense - I think you probably missed the logic presented and simply construed it as "twisted". I like how your entire response was about question quality. I agree that there are too many low quality questions entering, but they are also being removed at a reasonable pace. If a "bad question" prospers, then how is it possible that it did not help others? | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 18:18 | comment | added | Your Common Sense | @TravisJ I like your twisted logic. The problem not the bad questions themselves, but the overall site quality, spoiled by them. The question is not whether bad questions have to be or not, but whether they have to prosper and proliferate. And you need no historical data to see what an ugly mess Stack Overflow is. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 18:10 | comment | added | Travis J | @CodeCaster - There is literally no historical data to back up that answering low quality leads to more low quality. Low quality is 100% guaranteed, full stop. Addressing how to prevent it through education, or another means of improving low quality, is the only thing that has made headway. On the other side, the only successful option after it has been posted is removal as Tiny states. Note how none of this has to do with answering. There are a bunch of quotes from Brad, Shog, Tim, George, etc. about avoiding making the answerer the bad guy. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 21:03 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Tiny people who answer bad questions are doing something wrong. They're sending out a signal that any question will get answered, regardless of its quality. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 15:30 | comment | added | user4639281 | One little thing here though, there is nothing that states that an answerer must contribute an answer that will help other people down the road. Likewise there is nothing that states that an answerer cannot answer an open question that is not likely to help other people down the road. There is nothing that states that anyone must cast close votes on a question instead of posting an answer. We may all not like users that get their reputation through answering in this manner, but they aren't actually doing anything wrong. The only thing we can do is close vote bad questions quickly. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 13:13 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @YourCommonSense I am prone to bouts of pessimism myself, but this seems like a pretty useless attitude. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:43 | comment | added | Your Common Sense | @Oriol it doesn't matter really. As long as the talk is about Stack Overflow, nobody will change anything. Ever. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:40 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Oriol site-wide. Maybe one question per tag per day, to give the answerers something to do. Of course that will never be implemented, but we're having a massive quality problem (by askers, answerers and editors) and there doesn't seem to be done anything about it. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:40 | comment | added | Oriol | @CodeCaster Do you mean one question per user and day, or one per day among all users? | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:36 | comment | added | CodeCaster | Maybe we could revise the site with a Cartman algorithm: allow one question to be asked per day. When that goes well, allow another one. And so on. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:34 | comment | added | Your Common Sense | @CodeCaster pretty much yes, with one little correction: we cannot pile up our votes. You will never get 5 votes for an offtopic question - so, in time your vote will just crumble in vain. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:34 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Jan the problem is not the single user who asks a "debug this for me" question, the problem is the thousands of other users on the site who are willing to debug their code for them and write a one-off answer that will never help anybody else. | |
Mar 30, 2016 at 11:33 | comment | added | John Dvorak | @CodeCaster these votes still contribute to the quality ban algorithm, so keep casting. | |
Mar 29, 2016 at 17:34 | comment | added | alexw | Is it ironic that I upvoted this answer because of your last sentence? | |
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