Timeline for “One frame to rule them all.” How to handle [data.frame]/[dataframes] mistagging
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Mar 27, 2016 at 1:10 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus you simply can't. You don't understand? If I favorite [dataframes] what you think will happen with my homepage? It will get proportions of [dataframes] questions along with my other favorite tags... | |
Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 | comment | added | Braiam | @rjdown yet, the answerers of the tag have at most a single answer in the tag. Here's a dime kid, get yourself a better example... | |
Mar 26, 2016 at 8:28 | comment | added | Jaap | @Braiam I didn't say that, but for that reason you also filter on [r], [pandas] or [spark]: problem solved | |
Mar 26, 2016 at 6:29 | comment | added | rjdown |
@Braiam yet there is an add tag with 2.6k questions in various languages
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Mar 26, 2016 at 4:06 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus can R guy answer a Panda question, or an spark? Sorry, but while they are conceptually the same, their api are basically different. That I know how to add 2 plus 2 on javascript, doesn't mean that I could do the same on brainfuck, or Lisp, or any other language. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 17:15 | comment | added | Jaap | "dataframe" is a word that accurately and unambiguously describes the topic of a question. Why? Because a dataframe is conceptually equivalent in R, Pandas and Spark. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 17:01 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus If tags needs to depend of another tag to have a complete meaning, they are accurately bad tags: These are tags that don't say anything by themselves - you can't tell what the question is about unless they're paired with some other tag (or several of them). These tags are a problem because people don't realize this and will often use that as the question's only tag. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 17:00 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus I don't see anything that support your point. It says "tag", single, not "tags", plural. "dataframe" isn't a word or phrase that accurately and unambiguously describes the topic of a question. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:50 | comment | added | Jaap | btw: I know google-maps has an api and that grep is a command line tool, but grep is for example also a function in R. If look at the 'related tags' for each of those tags I linked to, you will see they are connected to different languages. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:49 | comment | added | Jaap | A tag is a word or phrase that describes the topic of the question. Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories. - For exactly that same reason, you can also use [r][dataframe] or [pandas][dataframe] instead of [r-dataframe] or [pandas-dataframe] | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:17 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus btw, google-maps has an api, which means that has a concrete meaning in programing. And, grep is a command line tool. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:15 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao | @Braiam Another post to read. Will get back on that. Thanks. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:12 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus no, you are missing the point of tags: Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories. If the "experts" are not able to answer those questions... why make them see them? | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:10 | comment | added | Braiam | @BhargavRao I'm painfully aware of that problem meta.stackoverflow.com/a/300700/792066. And frankly, given the general tendency of giving more power to tag badges holders the smaller communities may be at mercy of the bigger ones. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 16:09 | comment | added | Braiam | @Roland well, forgive me for being skeptical. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 11:12 | comment | added | Jaap | Should we make language specific tags for these examples as well? If you think so, than you are missing the point of tagging: using several tags to describe what the topic of the question is. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 11:11 | comment | added | Jaap | To illustrate the point of @BhargavRao some more examples of tags that are used for different languages: grep, join, plot, merge, regex, google-maps, text or date. | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 9:12 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao | Unfortunately that is the way the site works, Unless SO really implements must have tags like on MSO, creating smaller tags will suffer from the mentioned 2 problems. There is a real need for this, However the [feature-request]s regarding this have not received much attention from the devs. (2/2) | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 9:10 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao | You got in an excellent point there. However do note that there are similar tags like list, set, etc for other datastructures. The disadvantage of creating language specific tags include 1. New users tagging their questions with [python-dataframes] and not [python] as the former already has python in it; thereby reducing the number of people who view the tag 2. The need of 5 users in place 1 to dupe hammer when mistagged as in point 1 (due to nonavailability of gold badgers for the new tags. This is the same case with version specific tags like [python-2.7], [python-3.4],etc(1/2) | |
Mar 24, 2016 at 8:17 | comment | added | Roland | @Braiam There are currently two people with a gold badge for data.frame. I think you can trust experienced users who manage to get there to refrain from closing questions regarding dataframe structures in languages they are not familiar with. And even if they make such a mistake (we all can make mistakes), it's easily rectified. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:30 | comment | added | Braiam | @Frank it may be acceptable for you... but think about this: someone gets the aggregate gold badge, they can unilaterally close questions tagged as aggregate against anything. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:28 | comment | added | Frank | "why the heck should the system suggest me r questions in my home page?" I think Procrastinatus is suggesting that, instead of following [dataframe], which would lead to the problem you describe, you make a tab for [pandas][dataframe]. Anyways, the problem you describe happens with many other cross-lang tags already. I follow aggregate and sometimes get questions from languages I don't know highlighted because they have that tag -- no big deal. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:22 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus "just use [pandas] or [pandas][dataframe]" what you mean with this? | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:15 | comment | added | Jaap | just use [pandas] or [pandas][dataframe] as most people would do judging by the tagging behavior | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:13 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao | @Braiam Exactly, People will ask questions regarding the original animal [panda], Especially with zoo. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:11 | comment | added | Braiam | @BhargavRao I like to think they are many cute little things... | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:10 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao | as an aside, it is [pandas] not [panda] :| | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:09 | comment | added | Braiam | @ProcrastinatusMaximus that will just be the worst solution. If I know everything there's to know about pandas dataframes, why the heck should the system suggest me r questions in my home page? | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:08 | comment | added | Jaap | If it is so easy for moderators to rename a tag, then it is also easy to create one generic tag imo and have the other two as synonyms. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:07 | comment | added | Braiam | @poke how so? if you type "data" you will see "r-data.frame" and "pandas-dataframes". So, discoverability isn't a problem (also, the system suggests tags). | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:06 | comment | added | Frank | @poke One could argue that they should be hard to discover... In python, pandas almost always means dataframe (is my understanding) and in R, the tag rarely adds much to the post. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:05 | comment | added | poke |
This makes both tags hard to discover though, effectively hiding them for users. So people will probably just end up attempting to recreate data.frame or dataframes . So you would have to set up synonyms, at which point you end up with the same situation as you have now.
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Mar 23, 2016 at 21:04 | comment | added | Frank | Ok, good to know. So you're recommending renaming the two tags, not creating new tags? | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 21:02 | comment | added | Braiam | @Frank you say in the OP that data.frame is mostly about r, right? The other is mostly about panda? Moderators can rename a tag easily. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 20:58 | comment | added | Frank | Oh right, I forgot about that option. This sounds like a very manual process, eh? Like to "delete" dataframes, do we have to manually remove it on each question? And if you're saying r-data.frames would be created, then we'd have to do something about the preexisting data.frame tag. Also, if you do destroy these, what is to stop someone from recreating them? I see all sorts of "DO NOT USE THIS TAG" tags around, so apparently bad tags have a way of surviving our ire and SO doesn't like to blacklist them. | |
Mar 23, 2016 at 20:54 | history | answered | Braiam | CC BY-SA 3.0 |