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Mar 20, 2017 at 10:32 history edited CommunityBot
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Feb 27, 2016 at 19:53 comment added Seldom 'Where's Monica' Needy +1 for the information on historical locks for the young'uns.
Feb 27, 2016 at 2:28 comment added Braiam @J.F.Sebastian ok, I'm going to be brutally honest here, but what a load of manure? "Good faith" or whatever isn't relevant here. I'm not sure what the heck are you talking about, since this is not the court. The only metric is whenever or not it meets our current guidelines, or if it's possible to adjust the question to them, in which case we delete them. It doesn't matter if you want to power your shady business with PHP or if it's for your church. The scope is very clear and intent isn't part of the considerations.
Feb 26, 2016 at 15:54 comment added Parthian Shot "Do we stand to lose something useful by deleting it?" I feel like there should be a threshold past which a question cannot be deleted if it has enough upvotes. Because most questions are useless to most people, so when any individual question has this test applied to it a bunch of jackasses will think "well, it's not useful to me, so it's not useful" and delete despite the fact that their perspective shouldn't be relevant.
Feb 25, 2016 at 22:38 comment added Bruno As much as I don't like bad questions and answers, I think I have to agree with @J.F.Sebastian here. I wonder how many users of this site (especially "deleters") can honestly say they have never found a useful piece of information in a closed question (be it a "list type", discussion, ...), even if it's just a small clue that helped them solve the problem at hand on that day. Very few, I suspect.
Feb 25, 2016 at 13:11 comment added jfs @CodyGray: if you do believe it then you should advocate to rename "close" button to "delete".
Feb 25, 2016 at 13:09 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution The only thing I could possible say against this nice application of logic is that voting to delete is an effort and should be weighed against the benefit. If the impact of a decision on the Internet is small I would just rather not do anything at all.
Feb 25, 2016 at 11:04 comment added Cody Gray Mod It was proven guilty, in clear violation of an existing documented by policy, by the virtue of the fact that it was closed by either 5 community members or a moderator. Deletion is the ultimate destiny of all closed questions. The only question here is whether we should grant the question a reprieve from the normal course of action (deletion).
Feb 25, 2016 at 10:30 comment added jfs I'm referring to the quote at the top (paraphrasing) "always delete unless it makes a better place" It assumes omniscience on your part that is ignorant. If we assume good faith then the principle should be: "don't delete unless you have evidence that it harms the site". Evidence is links to docs such as /help/on-topic and/or meta-discussions that show concensus about specific policy X that you want to apply. My point: [a post is] "innocent until proven guilty" [by an existing documented policy].
Feb 25, 2016 at 10:13 comment added Cody Gray Mod @Braiam, your comments are also missing the point here. We aren't talking about closing questions, we are talking about deleting them. In order to delete them, they have to have already been closed. That means the decision of whether or not they are acceptable or on-topic has already been made. We don't need "evidence"; the evidence was provided by the 5 close voters. Certainly you have the prerogative to disagree with them, but if that's your position, you would vote to reopen, not simply abstain to vote to delete.
Feb 25, 2016 at 10:11 comment added Cody Gray Mod We are also talking about deleting questions, not answers, so I don't know what you mean by "By default, you should assume that people are trying to be helpful unless you have an evidence to the contrary." Should we just assume that all questions are well-intentioned and the askers are trying to help the community by contributing to the body of Q&A-style knowledge, so we should just leave them all alone?
Feb 25, 2016 at 10:10 comment added Cody Gray Mod @J.F.Sebastian I am having trouble interpreting your comment. What portion of my answer are you disagreeing with (or are you not even disagreeing)? Of course you should assume good faith; I don't see where I've contradicted that. The decision is often pretty clear-cut. If you are unsure, then you shouldn't delete. That's the part about not rushing to judgment. I don't know what kind of "evidence" you're talking about. The evidence comes from using your eyes and brain. Remember we're talking about community members here, who don't have binding delete votes anyway.
Feb 24, 2016 at 19:40 comment added jfs @Braiam if it is so obvious to you then it shouldn't be difficult to find the evidence. If we assume good faith then it means that it is not that obvious to the hypothetical author of the question (btw, it is not obvious to me: there could be valid technical challenges (asymmetrical network with large latency? Regulations? The high cost of an error? Something else?) unique to programming in such environment).
Feb 24, 2016 at 18:33 comment added Braiam @J.F.Sebastian I'm trying to point out how ridiculous would be to demonstrate that a question about programming on a boat is even on topic. It doesn't need to be spelled out in the help center, common sense will tell you that such questions aren't welcomed here.
Feb 24, 2016 at 17:18 comment added jfs @Braiam: notice: "a link to /help/on-topic or similar would suffice here" [as the evidence that it is off-topic] in my comment.
Feb 24, 2016 at 16:39 comment added Braiam @J.F.Sebastian what? In what way or form is a question about "programing on a boat" even on topic on first place?
Feb 24, 2016 at 15:59 comment added jfs @Braiam: notice: "unless you have an evidence" in my comment. If you have the evidence that "programming on boats" is off-topic (a link to /help/on-topic or similar would suffice here) then you can vote to close (and therefore delete) the question. By default, you should assume that people are trying to be helpful unless you have an evidence to the contrary.
Feb 24, 2016 at 15:48 comment added Braiam @J.F.Sebastian although I don't agree with Cody's conclusion, what has to do "good faith" with deletion? I mean, it was on good faith that I posted that question about programming on boats, it shouldn't be deleted!
Feb 24, 2016 at 15:47 comment added jfs It is an ignorant position that if you don't see the benefit of something then it is useless. The site policy says explicitly: "assume good faith". Negative actions should be reserved until you have an evidence that something is harmful.
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:20 comment added Gimby @codygray exactly what the bonus block is for - to cool down the need to hit the nuke button instead :)
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:20 comment added Tim @CodyGray bonus points for making up a chart. That means this question is now significant because an answer contains value that cannot be trivially found elsewhere. Which means my Q won't get deleted.. =)
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:19 comment added Cody Gray Mod @gimby We already have a feature for "someone is wrong on the Internet"—downvoting. Oh how that pisses people off!
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:19 comment added BoltClock Mod You know it's not official from the distinct lack of freehand circles.
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:18 comment added Gimby Bonus block: Do I want to delete this because someone is wrong on the internet? yes: loop back to self 10 times with 5 minute intervals. No - go to "is the post hurting anything".
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:18 comment added Cody Gray Mod I just made the chart up. It's not official or anything. :-)
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:17 comment added Tim save questions whose answers contain useful information that cannot trivially be found elsewhere and might be useful to others in the future interesting, also useful chart, and interesting chatter.. I did not know that. Thanks
Feb 24, 2016 at 12:08 history answered Cody GrayMod CC BY-SA 3.0