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Feb 19, 2016 at 7:05 comment added Cody Gray Mod I've used XCode before. Not as extensively as I use Visual Studio, but I have used it. And I quite liked it. So I'm not really sure that XCode is the one with the problem. More likely it is the popularity explosion of iOS development, with "developers" who don't know what they're doing. Can't blame the tools for that.
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:39 comment added Magisch @Shog9 Explaining this completly to you as I view it would vastly break the limits of comment discussion, and since our last run in last week I have no desire (or ability) to discuss this further in chat with you either. Im trying to be diplomatic but its times like these I wish SE had an ignore feature <_<
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:37 comment added Shog9 There's an expression for what you're doing, @Magisch - it involves someone cleaning up by throwing out dirty bathwater without bothering to check if there was anything valuable in the tub first. You can't justify any action - least of all abject carelessness - with "I'M CLEANING HOUSE".
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:35 comment added Magisch @Shog9 The only thing these audits teach me is the necessity to write a userscript or mechanically click through the link to avoid them. Oh and the fact that SO apparently stopped valuing cleaning efforts a long time ago in favor of an algorhitmic broken audit system.
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:33 comment added Shog9 Except you didn't even know that XCode was a programming tool when you started this discussion, @Magisch. So yeah, you're confident and all, but your confidence is misplaced. That's ok; audits are supposed to be a learning opportunity - learn!
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:29 comment added Magisch @Shog9 If I judge a question to be bad I vote to close it. The topic plays a part in that. If im unsure and its about a topic I know nothing about, or if it might be bad because of topical points I know nothing about, then sure, I will skip it. This is not that though and I feel fully comfortable in closing obvious tosh, and this is obvious enough that the topic (xcode) doesn't matter one ioda
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:26 comment added Shog9 You're complaining that you got audited on a topic you know nothing about, @Magisch. You could've skipped. What about all the XCode questions that aren't audits? Are you also not skipping those? I feel like I've written about this before...
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:05 comment added Magisch @Shog9 If there was such a way to dispute an audit, I would have just used that and then gone and dv/cv'd the question. Since there is no such system, I have to moan here.
Feb 18, 2016 at 18:03 comment added Magisch @Shog9 My point is a question as bad as this should not be upvoted or even non-deleted, and more certainly shouldn't be an audit. Failing an official way to dispute bogus audits (there has been a upvoted feature request for that before, but that went nowhere) I have to moan on meta every time the system decides to take a dump on me.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:53 comment added Shog9 I would certainly hope that questions about XCode would be frowned upon in, say, the winapi tag, @Magisch. What's your point?
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:46 comment added Magisch @Shog9 Do you think it is okay to ask questions like this on stackoverflow? Because outside of the iOS tag, tosh like this would not be a discussion. It would be a matter of -5 - -10 in 5 minutes + closure and then eventual roombanation.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:43 comment added Shog9 Look, let's stop beating around the bush here: XCode is a developer tool - no one's using it to write novels. XCode is buggy as all hell - judging by the questions we see on Stack Overflow, it frequently stops working in various ways for no discernible reason, requiring various sacrifices and supplications to get it going again. If you don't use XCode you probably can't judge a good XCode question - because if you have a brain in your head, it is entirely consumed by gratitude for your good fortune at not having to use XCode to be spending any thought on the question.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:33 comment added ArtOfCode but how many bloogles should it oscillate at?
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:30 comment added Magisch @Undo And why do you think asking a vague and nonspecific question is remotely ok to do on SO? Questions here are supposed to be clear and answerable, this one is neither
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:28 comment added Undo Mod Imagine I have a problem with my car. To me, it "won't go and makes no funny noises". An expert might ask "does the kerfluffle oscillate?" To which I would reply "yes, at nine bloogles per second". Then the expert would answer. It's not fair to expect me to include all relevant detail on the first try, when I have no leads on what the problem could be.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:28 comment added Magisch @Undo Consider you don't know any detail that might be relevant to the question as asker. Why would it be appropiate to ask that on SO? Im honestly kind of baffled that you are defending this tosh.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:26 comment added Undo Mod @Deduplicator Again, what detail would you want to see? It's a developing issue, no one knows what detail is relevant. The question seems to be a duplicate, which is fine - but it shouldn't be closed for any other reason. Rather, experts should ask clarifying questions and narrow down the problem.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:23 comment added Magisch So in conclusion, the question is bad and off topic, and the dupe target is still only barely on topic. So why is anyone defending this? If I got the accepted answer to that dupe in the VLQ queue, I'd probably vote to delete it as "should be a comment"
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:22 comment added ArtOfCode @Magisch sigh. That's not what it is. However, you're far too emotionally invested in defending this audit, so I'm not about to get anywhere with that discussion with you. Quite honestly, you should take a few away from the computer, and revisit this issue when it doesn't weigh so heavily on you.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:21 comment added Deduplicator Well, it's a dupe of the question linked in the comments, and/or it's genuinely unanswerable. (The answers in the linked question are to update the OS.)
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:20 comment added Magisch @ArtOfCode What makes you think SO is a forum for generic nonspecific bug reports for a random iOs SDK? Even if its not widely known and by some miracle an expert stumbles upon this and answers it with the correct answer, thats still a bogus question and the answer will also be consequently bogus. In its current state this question may aswell read "I have a {generic error} with {ide} on{os}. HALP"
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:19 comment added ArtOfCode To be fair to you both, the question is a little broad and lacking specific detail. I certainly wouldn't find enough detail in it to be able to answer it, were I an expert on the subject. However, I'm not an expert, and an expert may have encountered the issue before and know what the cause is. Do we even know for certain it's a bug in Xcode? It should stay open.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:15 comment added Magisch Undo, then still "I have a nonspecific app which I give no information about that produces a generic error on testers when compiled with this version of xcode" Its either a very widely known bug or useless because its lacking information
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:14 comment added Undo Mod @Magisch Let's say it's a bug in Xcode. It's preventing programmers from doing their job. Those programmers would like to do their job. No one seems to know, yet, what the problem is. If someone knew what information would help solve it, they would probably have the answer. Some problems are ambiguous, especially when they're a developing issue like this. We have a huge pool of experts here; let them figure out what's wrong and how to work around it. Don't cast judgment on something you don't know about.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:13 comment added Magisch TBH these "If you're not an expert" arguments are getting old. For the vast, vast majority of poor questions, you don't need any subject area knowledge to see wether or not they are closeworthy and DV worthy. This is one of them.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:12 comment added Magisch Its essentially a bug report for xcode. It has no direct relevance to programming other then that the program with the bug is an IDE. The information included is either a) insufficient or b) the bug is so widely known that >20s of google could have found the result.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:11 comment added Undo Mod @Magisch Okay. Explain to me why that question should be closed.
Feb 18, 2016 at 17:10 comment added Magisch I don't need to be an expert to see that that question is trash. You don't need to know xcode specifically to know that off this information you can't get anything then reiterated bug reports and bogus not-an-answers as result. If this was in any other tag then ios, it would have been heavily downvoted and closed in minutes.
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