Timeline for Proposal for handling stale / version specific answers
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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:34 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Jan 26, 2016 at 22:01 | vote | accept | SnareChops | ||
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:29 | comment | added | Louis | @SnareChops There's no doubt that the proposal I mentioned needs tweaking but at the end of the day, I much prefer a system that has users bring up cases to the attention of other users rather than a system that decides automatically to bring up cases for review. At any rate, my comment was made primarily as a counter to the notion that people who downvoted here just do not care about obsolete answers. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:27 | comment | added | SnareChops | That's a very good point especially for very obscure tags. However I do also feel that the number of these would be proportional to the number of users in the tags. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:26 | answer | added | elixenideMod | timeline score: 6 | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:24 | comment | added | Becuzz | @SnareChops Agreed. Even if we take your number of 34,175 questions and just for the sake or argument, say that the proposed filters drop it down to 10% of that (3,417). That's still a decent queue. Add to it the restrictions on who can review a given question, we have potentially less reviewers (would be interesting to see the ratio of questions to potential reviewers in a given tag, picking some popular ones and some not so popular ones). So I'm still not sure we could keep up. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:18 | comment | added | SnareChops | @Becuzz I suspect that this number would drop very quickly once initially filtered through | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:14 | comment | added | Becuzz | @SnareChops (cont) I assume that the views criteria would cut that down, but now I wonder how we could possibly handle that with a queue (no matter which number you look at). I mean, we have a hard enough time with the CV queue and that usually hovers somewhere around 8-9k. I can't imagine we have enough people to handle this new queue. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:14 | comment | added | Becuzz | @SnareChops (cont) However, you used the last activity date to try to limit the data. That, I believe is just the last time the post got bumped because there was a new answer or edit activity. That means it really isn't a good indicator of when the last view was, but is at least a decent guess. If I remove that filter, the number jumps up to over 2.3 million. (cont) | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:13 | comment | added | Becuzz | @SnareChops Interesting. I took your query and modified it a bit. When I looked for only questions with at least one answer, and that weren't closed or deleted, the number of total questions dropped to 26930. If I further cut it down to ones with an accepted answer (which I feel is more likely to cause confusion when the "solved" marker is there), it drops down to 19,232. (cont) | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:42 | comment | added | SnareChops | @Louis This is a community and votes of any kind are welcomed. Just shows a chance to improve the proposal. The proposal you linked does look good but fails to address 2 points. Questions specifically for an older version of a language or framework should not be deemed as "invalid" by marking them as obsolete. They are still relevant for that version of the language. And second, the process is still passive meaning that users have to go out in search of these, or encounter them in the wild. I believe that this should be an active process, bringing the questions to willing users' attn. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:25 | comment | added | SnareChops | @Becuzz from the limited information we have access to (can't see views on date) there appear to be 2,261 javascript posts that match this criteria, and 34,175 in all tags. (Again with my best guess with the information available) | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:03 | comment | added | SnareChops | @Becuzz I accept your challenge to investigate the amount of questions that fit this criteria and will report back with findings. Also I agree that this seems to be an entirely different type of review queue that would obviously take time to develop and implement. For your second question, the intent here is to take an active stance on keeping the content of the Q&A here up to date by presenting willing reviewers the chance to sift through posts in a single place without having to deep dive into tags and go searching through lists. That is a passive stance and I am proposing an active one. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:02 | comment | added | Louis | @CodeCaster There's nothing "agressive" about the downvoting here. People do not agree with the proposal. It's as simple as that. There have been other proposals that I thought were better. (I've upvoted this one, for instance.) | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:02 | comment | added | Becuzz | @CodeCaster I'm not saying it isn't a problem. I'd just like to know how bad of a problem it is and if this is an appropriate solution or if it is overkill. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:00 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Becuzz this isn't quite the first question about outdated answers. It is a real problem, and it's becoming almost impossible to find the proper, current answer to a lot of common problems in the tags I'm active in. It's starting to become even a bigger problem than duplicate questions. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:59 | comment | added | Becuzz | I'm not a fan of this idea for a number of reasons. First being that this sounds like a lot of work to implement along with a lot of work for users that are moderating this. That in and of itself doesn't make it bad, but it becomes really hard to justify when you haven't shown how much of a problem this really is. (I realize there are old answers that need updating, but how many are there?) If we were to flip the switch on this today, how many questions would instantly drop into this queue? 1,000? 10,000? 5? Second, what does this solve that can't be done with a comment or the edit button? | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:58 | comment | added | SnareChops |
@CodeCaster Agreed, and I just want to point out to everyone All versions of every language are still valid and important. However, using your example, users of ASP.Net MVC 5 finding a question with an answer using pre-v5 syntax will possibly be led down the wrong path, or be frustrated.
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Jan 26, 2016 at 14:51 | comment | added | SnareChops |
A language like javascript is constantly evolving and since the runtime is node or the browsers, they stay up to date with the latest features. Backwards compatibility is mostly supported and so while the answers are not outdated by any means, they could be improved for new users coming in to these languages for the first time and would like to learn the modern version of the language out of the gate.
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Jan 26, 2016 at 14:45 | history | edited | SnareChops | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jan 26, 2016 at 14:43 | comment | added | SnareChops |
@Andy Agreed, outdated is a harsh term. Perhaps not using outdated, but version specific . Updated language in post. To give an example there are many developers using vb6 in the daily jobs, and these are no less relevant questions and answers then vb.net in today's most current version. I am not recommending removal of any questions or answers, simply to give them new life as best practices change over time (new features, etc.)
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Jan 26, 2016 at 14:42 | comment | added | Andy Mod |
I still use some-language < v1.5 , are the answers out dated for me?
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Jan 26, 2016 at 14:40 | history | asked | SnareChops | CC BY-SA 3.0 |