Timeline for Code stolen by highly upvoted, outdated answer
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Jan 28, 2016 at 20:43 | comment | added | Travis J | @LokiAstari - Where is the incentive to write a higher content answer if it is just going to get taken by someone else? We are not ghost writers here, while the goal is for generating high quality content, that goal is only accomplished by the incentive for users to create it. Without user creation, we have nothing. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 19:57 | comment | added | Loki Astari | @Pekka웃: OK so SO is broken. That does not mean you should make the site worse. Why remove content that is good for users, simply because of an arbitrary hurt feelings issue. The code was contributed to SO under the CC license that allows re-use. The OA was re-using it because it made their answer better (which is allowed). Sure I agree that the OA should have quoted were it came from but that does not mean you should vandalize the site and make the answer worse. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 19:30 | comment | added | Pekka | @LokiAstari points are hardly the issue here for anyone involved, but the right to ownership of the content you contribute is important. It's SO that is broken here because it's obscuring the now-correct answer, not the author's claim to their own content. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 19:19 | comment | added | Loki Astari | Why roll it back! The whole point of this site is to put the best answer near the top. If the current answer is obsolete then why not copy the content of a better answer into the question. This is not a site for getting points the point of the site is to get the best answer to the people asking questions. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 17:37 | comment | added | TylerH | @Pekka웃 CW to prevent rep loss from downvotes, too, coincidentally... | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 17:24 | comment | added | Braiam | Related How do we encourage edits to obsolete/out of date answers? | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 8:56 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | ahh much more like you asked a question and give an answer @HansPassant? Then when a question asked similar to it, you will vote to close as duplicate? sounds fun. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 8:41 | comment | added | Hans Passant | Question and answer. Having one person write both is quite acceptable here. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 8:38 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde |
@HansPassant sorry for being ignorant, but what is a Q+A pair ?
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Jan 27, 2016 at 8:27 | comment | added | Hans Passant | You mean the one where you did not write a new Q+A pair and close-voted the new one instead of the old one? No, that's not what I proposed. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 1:59 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @Hans then watch the +50 questions on Meta accusing you in public of "repwhoring" and of "disgraceful elitist behaviour" roll in. Yes, this happened to me. Yes, I am still bitter about it. | |
Jan 27, 2016 at 0:13 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @JustDoIt I agree. I just wanted to note that this whole discussion, with Reigel trying to defend their stance, is likely a storm in a teapot. This is assuming that Pekka is right about Reigel being a valuable contributor to SO, but I've developed a habit of believing Pekka. The plagiarism has been done (for any reason, it doesn't really matter on an objective level), there's nothing anyone can do about it, we can only try to defuse the tension and make sure it doesn't happen again. The key is good will, regarding which there's less of an agreement here, as I see. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 23:57 | comment | added | Just Do It | Although I agree with you @AndrasDeak I still feel like we're a little biased since the only thing we have is a word against another word, I'd like to know if OP actually pushed one too many buttons on Reigel that his automatic response was "fine! here's your answer" which wouldn't help OP's case, you don't push people around. BUT AGAIN we lack of context and we're only presented what I think it's only one side of the coin | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 18:55 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @Reigel please try to bear with us:) You've made a mistake, and it happens to be of a kind that is very much frowned upon here (for good reason). Understandable that some people are furious (starting with OP here), but as Pekka said, you're a solid contributor to the site, and everyone makes mistakes. I believe essentially saying "Sorry everyone, won't happen again" (and then keeping yourself to that) is perfectly satisfactory in this situation, and it's the only thing you should be expected to do. That said, the CW is also a nice gesture and a display of good will. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 18:45 | comment | added | Giorgi Moniava | there should be a way to mark outdated answers as such. No downvoting necessary. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:03 | comment | added | Just Do It | well I think that there would be no excessive discussion if they end it with the context needed, cause yeah copying an answer is wrong, but so is pushing someone to the extent of annoyance(if it really happened, again its the word of a user against the word of the other one) @WillNess | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:01 | comment | added | Will Ness | @JustDoIt they avoid the excessive discussion? | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:00 | comment | added | Will Ness | @Reigel it is really simple. whenever you copy, you must give proper attribution. if you don't want to, don't copy, just give a link. Even if you re-write it, it is proper to mention where you got your initial inspiration. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 16:00 | comment | added | Just Do It | then how come there's no answer from one of them? @WillNess | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:59 | comment | added | Will Ness | @JustDoIt I assume the mods can see any deleted context on SO, including comments. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 15:52 | comment | added | Just Do It | Are comments permanently deleted? For some reason I feel like we're missing a huge chunk of context. All we have is the word of a user against the word of the other one. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:43 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | On my defense, I'm not really here on SO just to gain reps. I'm here to learn and help those who are also learning. I even rarely downvote. Try to check all my answers. Try to check all my comments. I do comments on answers which I think needs more build up. I suggest better answers if I have one(but not to the point that I'll push it to them). I communicate. That's how I think SO should be. Lots of COMMUNICATION. Not like this that you make a simple mistake, and then you're now the TURKEY on the table. I feel bad actually, I'm just trying not to care because it's not really what I'm here for. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:33 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @Pekka웃 I just did after reading your answer earlier.. and thanks for bringing this to me up. Still, the OP is one sided. and why do you think he asked this kind of question now.. him and another moderator has their arguments about a month ago... so my question is why open it just now? | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:30 | comment | added | Pekka | An easy way to avoid conflict in such a case is to mark the post Community Wiki, to prevent any future rep gain. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:28 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @TJ because he insisted that he's answer is more accurate. I was not the one debating him but one moderator. So I tried copying his answer, and tried to comment and to asked him if that edited answer is good. BUT now, as you can see, there are no comments there.. there were I think 20+. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:22 | comment | added | T J | @Reigel If you think so (that your answer is not obsolete), then why did you bother to copy paste that content into your answer..? | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 14:21 | comment | added | Michał Perłakowski | @Reigel Theoretically your solution is valid (i.e. not obsolete), but it's commonly considered a bad coding practice. That's not just my opinion, but lots of JavaScript programmers agree with that. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 13:46 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @WillNess, I have thought about that... and then I realized, I don't have to... it's really the OP that says it is obsolete. But if you really know javascript, that is not obsolete.. There are ways to solve the said problem and I have given one of it. Whether it's best or not, it's still depends on one's opinion and the project/task to be accomplished. I've added there a link to an answer from another SO question that best describe it.. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 13:30 | comment | added | Will Ness | @Reigel simplest thing you could've done is add at the top of your post "update: attention: this answer is outdated. for an up-to-date answer see <<link>>". | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 11:16 | comment | added | Michał Perłakowski | @user1803551 Yes, I already linked it: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272570/… | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 10:51 | comment | added | user1803551 |
Pekka, about the problem that the top answer is obsolete . Is there a discussion on this somewhere? I too was wondering at some points how to answer/edit old questions and decided not to touch it because the community is so sensitive to the past here.
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Jan 26, 2016 at 10:39 | comment | added | Hans Passant | Nice demonstration of the horrors of having to support an SO answer for the rest of your natural life. You have to be a damn fool to post answers in [javascript]. It has such a simple solution, write a new Q+A pair with the "modern" solution, vote as duplicate. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 8:57 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | I'm not really good at explaining myself, so I will not say more... cause either way, I still copied it and that's a fact I can't not change... I just felt that the message/post of the OP is just one sided.. (moderator deleted all the comments there on the said Answer) that's why I tried defending myself. I realized, I don't have to. Just like how I ignored his comment but a moderator commenting my answer got my attention. Anyway, I just want to help. My rep is just a bonus from what I learned in helping... Thanks for the heads up guys.. Will not do it again. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 8:48 | comment | added | Tsyvarev |
@Reigel: If you developed code for your answer without viewing the answer below, you may do not leave the credit... But then you need to explain somehow, that this is not a plagiarism. And even explanation doesn't prevent your answer from downvotes. If your code has been inspired by the other answer, and you doesn't want to change the code, you need to leave the credit. I could write my own but it would look and feel the same as his. - but this would be OK. Change comment // actual logic ... , change alert message, and it will be your own code, so no credit will be needed.
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Jan 26, 2016 at 6:07 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | Sorry, that does not excuse you from giving credit where it's due. If you have a personal problem with the user whose answer you copied from, you are free to find another answer that you are happy to give credit to. Intentionally not crediting someone for their answer because you have a personal problem with them says a lot more about you than it does them. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 5:13 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @ThisSuitIsBlackNot just because he pointed it out (the answer), that doesn't mean he's the only one who knows it. And you're not getting what I'm up to. I said he's answer is the right one for the current time. I could write my own but it would look and feel the same as his. even though I'm not using "copy" "paste". So how can I make my answer accurate for the current time? assuming I don't want to credit him for being rude.. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 5:06 | comment | added | ThisSuitIsBlackNot | @Reigel You're not listening. The copy/pasting is not the problem. The problem is that you didn't attribute where you copied from. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 3:38 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @ThisSuitIsBlackNot at this situation... I can't provide any other than his answer.. I could change some variables, but still, that would look and feel the same... like "copy pasting with style"... and on that day, there was a moderator, was he not doing his job? the one complaining now were suggesting a solution, I copied it, thought he just can't edit my post(which a few are doing)... moderator deleted all the comments for a reason. I just now wished he didn't. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 3:30 | comment | added | ThisSuitIsBlackNot | @Reigel Nobody said don't make a chair. They said don't steal someone else's chair and pretend you made it. You're required to cite material you get from other users. Not doing so is not only rude, but also a violation of the site's license. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 3:15 | comment | added | Reigel Gallarde | @Pekka웃, just wondering, in this situation (not that I really care but), without "copy pasting" the answer, how would I update my answer to be more accurate to date? to make the answer accurate as much, the answer would be just the same as to Gothdo, so in general, how would someone do that? Cause it's like saying, we need a chair, but don't make a chair cause someone already did. :D | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 0:26 | history | edited | Pekka | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jan 26, 2016 at 0:16 | comment | added | Michał Perłakowski | @BillWoodger Yes, that's why I asked this question. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 0:15 | comment | added | Pekka |
this still doesn't solve the problem that the top answer is obsolete yeah - that's kind of an unsolved problem on Stack Overflow in general
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Jan 26, 2016 at 0:15 | comment | added | Bill Woodger | @Gothdo there's lots written about that type of situation. Nothing resolved. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 0:15 | comment | added | Pekka | @Gothdo his ----- | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 0:13 | comment | added | Michał Perłakowski | Thanks, I also considered rolling back the edit. However, this still doesn't solve the problem that the top answer is obsolete. | |
Jan 26, 2016 at 0:11 | history | answered | Pekka | CC BY-SA 3.0 |