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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:34 history edited CommunityBot
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Jan 20, 2016 at 22:16 comment added kayleeFrye_onDeck I don't see how the jacobian-matrix tag is irrelevant. What concerns me is tag limits. Most of the time, I have to cut down the amount of tags that I want to add. If Amir was simply adding the tag, I don't see the issue. If he was removing existing tags to make room due to the tag limit, well that's a big fat problem.
Jan 19, 2016 at 18:53 vote accept honk
Jan 19, 2016 at 14:42 comment added TheLethalCoder There is also the hessian-matrix tag that is also used "a lot"... currently 65 questions
Jan 19, 2016 at 14:30 answer added Ben Voigt timeline score: 59
Jan 19, 2016 at 12:37 answer added NoDataDumpNoContribution timeline score: 2
Jan 18, 2016 at 20:23 answer added Becuzz timeline score: -7
Jan 18, 2016 at 20:20 answer added Makoto timeline score: 15
Jan 18, 2016 at 20:01 comment added poke @Amir I’m just saying that just because you can apply an algorithm, a method or a technique with programming, that doesn’t mean that it’s exactly a programming topic, and even less likely requires its own tags. With currently 212 questions, it doesn’t seem such a big topic on SO and is often paired with tags like matrix or algorithm or matlab. I think that covers the link well enough: It’s just an application of maths. And for the actual maths, you can go to math.SE (which actually has over 1000 questions about jacobian matrices—a tag there would make more sense).
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:55 comment added Amir @poke If that is the case, why there are quite a lot of questions having the term jacobian in their title on Stackoverflow? They all have something to do with programming as well :) People who get on Stackoverflow to ask something about jacobians are different from people on math.stackexchange.com. The later are more looking for mathematical proofs and details of mathematical algorithms rather than programming stuff.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:53 comment added poke @Amir “Jacobian matrix is a very important thing in mathematics” – And I think that’s the problem. It’s more a mathematical or theoretical computer science thing than something closely related to programming (and as such SO).
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:45 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @Amir that is a different question altogether. Because some crap tags are around, doesn't mean you can/should create one. You should bring up this notion in an answer, levenberg-marquardt and friends could as easily be removed, if it's decided. Also, here's a blog post of why meta-tags are considered bad, your mileage may vary about whether these are meta-tags.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:44 answer added Amir timeline score: 4
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:44 comment added Drew Amir, write that in an Answer below
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:43 comment added Amir @honk I know that your intention is to help the community. But Jacobian matrix is not something that should be ignored this way and it's not a specific function. It's something used world-wide extensively by almost any industry and engineering-related matter that has something to do with calculus. If jacobian matrix does not deserve to be on Stackoverflow, please look at the tag levenberg-marquardt. Why should this tag exists? `levenberg-marquardt' is an extremely narrowed-down subject in optimization and mathematics. I think someone should come up with a more reasonable answer.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:39 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @Amir don't be disappointed, your contributions are always welcome. It just has to be sorted out whether the Community agrees with you (in this case, probably not). But I advise you to heed @beaker's suggestion and explain your intentions. You can get valuable feedback on that. I know it doesn't help at all that you've just found yourself in the middle of this counter-action to your tagging, and you feel violated despite your best intentions.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:38 comment added Amir I just wanted to have my own contribution to the SO community
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:38 comment added honk @Amir: I'm sorry, my intention was not to disappoint you. If you edits would have been acceptable, then there would have been no need to bother you with my question. Please also read this question, because it is also related to your edits and has an answer.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:38 comment added Amir @AndrasDeak You're kind of right, but well people like me are also programmers. But we are programmers who continuously work with stuff like Hessian matrix, Jacobian matrix and a lot of similar things. We also have programming questions regarding these stuff and the questions that I tagged were almost always related to programming.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:35 comment added beaker @Amir If you think that the tag should be allowed, post an answer with your reasoning and let everyone consider it. Complaining in the comments is not the way to go about this.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:34 comment added Amir There are millions of things related to a tag like Jacobian-matrix. But why the tag is unnecessary and a tag like pycaffe is?!! pycaffe is exactly equivalent to caffe with the difference that it is Python-based
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:34 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @Amir no offense, but you should use google or the SO search engine for finding what interests you. Creating tags for things that are irrelevant to the vast majority of programmers here is not helpful. Otherwise I completely agree that you should've been informed about this procedure at the very beginning.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:33 comment added Amir Jacobian matrix is a very important thing in mathematics. A lot of mathematical optimization algorithms use Jacobian matrices and a lot of the questions that I edited need to be tagged with Jacobian matrix. This way people who look up something related to Jacobian matrix on search engines will be able to find the material easier as well.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:32 comment added Amir I spent a lottttttt of time on finding questions having something to do with Jacobian matrix and now it's all ruined. Why did you guys do this?
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:31 comment added Amir Hi everyone. I'm so disappointed at Stackoverflow moderation. Thanks to @Makoto for letting me know what's going on here. All I wanted to do was helping people and stackoverflow users! My work contains a lot of mathematical optimization stuff. I know that those tags are very important for people like me.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:31 comment added Makoto I think there's a separate issue at hand here: whether or not the math tags are considered meta tags. This question is more general in that it's asking if it's okay to introduce a very specific tag.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:28 comment added honk @Makoto: Thank you. I think your answer on the other question would also have been fine here. More or less...
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:28 comment added beaker @AndrasDeak Apparently not, he's still tagging questions.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:22 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk "And I try to sleep 7 hrs per night. Too long?" Certainly not too long, it's just erm I'm getting old (not to say senile) now :-P ...
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:20 comment added Makoto I've pinged the editor on it. I've also removed those tags as well as did some light editing on questions that needed it. It may also be worth considering what the cut-off for questions with a mathematical function should be, per this discussion.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:19 comment added honk @AndrasDeak: I didn't.
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:18 comment added honk @πάνταῥεῖ: UTC+1. And I try to sleep 7 hrs per night. Too long?
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:17 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk What's your timezone? I usually sleep 4-7 hrs nightly :-) ...
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:15 comment added honk @πάνταῥεῖ: I don't know. For example, you also seem to be always on when I am ;)
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:15 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні Has anyone pinged the editor about this discussion?
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:13 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk "I know that some users seem to be present on SO 24/7" Besides for the community user, that's a plain myth ;-) ...
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:13 comment added honk @Drew: I came to chat in the first place, directly after spotting those edits. The first suggestion after some time was: "I would start a meta discussion..." This is why I asked here...
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:07 comment added Drew Perhaps he is writing his doctorial thesis on a jabocian-matrix. Perhaps he could be invited into a chat room like we always do and chat about his intentions. Perhaps the tags that have absolutely no value could be targeted prior to un-doing hard work
Jan 18, 2016 at 19:02 comment added honk @Drew: You are hitting the right point: Tags only make sense if the number of tags is much lower than the number of questions. Otherwise you could also do a full-text search. So, how many tags make sense? Assume that you have 1000 xxx-matrix tags. If you then enter 'matrix' into the tag line, then you might need to wade through pages to find the correct tag. Of course I'm overstating the problem here, but the question is: How specific should tags be so that they still make sense?
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:56 comment added Drew I am not suggesting that anyone do that. In the data case, I believe that could be across the board blown away by The Borg and not rest on a person or a group. But if someone takes the time to make stuff easier to find for others, then what was just done doesn't seem to make sense. We have like 40 to 60 k tags. Some have 0 or 1 in them
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:56 history edited honk CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jan 18, 2016 at 18:54 comment added honk @Drew: I know that some users seem to be present on SO 24/7, but unfortunately I cannot spend as much time on SO as I would like to...
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:50 comment added honk @πάνταῥεῖ: Well, if one user adds new tags and another removes them, then the story could go on for quite some while...
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:50 comment added Drew The tag data that a gent in our socvr room single-handedly took on to cleanse out of 8000 questions
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:49 comment added Drew it's not like the tag "data". It is highly selective favor for those that follow to find the stuff.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:48 comment added honk @Drew: This is why I asked: I was not sure if the tag in question is a doesn't-hurt tag or a bad tag...
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:48 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk Maybe starting the same way as I did and just remove them. I'm at least no expert in tag burination as well :-/ ...
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:44 comment added honk @πάνταῥεῖ: Ok, I see, such tags are not really wanted. But what do I do if I see something similar coming up again? Hunting down a tag just by myself could become cumbersome. Should I ask another Meta question in such a case?
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:43 comment added Drew And let's say the gent is a math whiz or the like, and such categorization is germane and useful for those that follow Let's just say. And there were free slots for a tag on a question. They were just blown away.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:41 comment added honk @Drew: Yes, this is why I was talking about a new tag ;)
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:39 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk I think I have caught all the tagged questions to remove it right now.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:38 comment added Drew The jacobian-matrix tag was added today. It has 16 as of now. LOLCODE tag was added 6 years ago and has a count of 9
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:34 comment added honk @πάνταῥεῖ: Your suggestion seems sensible to me, but I was not sure whether this is common understanding. Do you mind to put your comment into an answer to see if there are enough users who agree, too?
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:31 comment added πάντα ῥεῖ @honk I also think that tag isn't acceptable. There's not even a reasonable tag wiki info. There are just 17 questions tagged so far, so burinating the tag should be an easy job.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:30 history edited honk CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jan 18, 2016 at 18:28 comment added honk Well, my question is: Is it acceptable if such highly specific are created? That question is not answered in the other question, as far as I can see...
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:25 history edited honk CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jan 18, 2016 at 18:20 comment added honk @BSMP: Maybe related, but adding HTML tags into posts and attaching tags to questions seems a bit different to me. HTML tags are only markup, while the other tags are meant to organize posts on SO.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:14 comment added BSMP IIRC, a custom flag on one of their posts/edits to get a mod's attention is the preferred action.
Jan 18, 2016 at 18:10 history asked honk CC BY-SA 3.0