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Jan 16, 2016 at 17:41 comment added George Stocker Mod @BenjaminW. I would have deleted it.
Jan 16, 2016 at 17:36 comment added Benjamin W. I just failed this review audit (a link to a plugin with a one-line description of what it does). The "STOP" message tells me I should have flagged as VLQ - not quite the same as your interpretation of VLQ, is it?
Jan 15, 2016 at 20:01 comment added user4639281 @Cypher I would rather rename it to "Absolute Gibberish" because that is what it is for.
Jan 15, 2016 at 19:57 comment added Cypher Perhaps the problem is the naming of the flag itself. The words "Very Low Quality" are subjective and mean different things to different people. Perhaps something more explicit, such as "Request for Deletion", since that is the intention? Something to ponder anyway...
Jan 15, 2016 at 10:00 comment added AakashM "literally means that no matter how many people you ask, they're all going to say" - there is literally nothing in the world about which this is true. Not one thing.
Jan 15, 2016 at 0:41 comment added Shog9 That's a long, rambling explanation, and I'm not rightly sure where it belongs, @mike. But I'll remember the concept if it comes up again.
Jan 14, 2016 at 15:44 comment added Heretic Monkey BTW, @Shog9 and Tiny Giant, that chat made a lot of sense to me. Dealing with abstractions is what programmers do. Might be worth writing up in an answer...?
Jan 14, 2016 at 5:11 comment added Shog9 Conversation continued in chat
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:44 comment added user4639281 @Shog the "culture" of the H&I is to flag as VLQ if it should be closed, that's just how they do it there because that is the only viable option available to them. That doesn't actually work because Triage doesn't work, which is why I don't review in Triage. Why not give us an option to make it go to the close queue, instead of the futility of sending it to Triage again? Solve the entire problem by giving us an option that actually works instead of wasting everyone's time.
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:35 comment added user4639281 I just really don't know what the right thing to do here is. Basically, don't review. Triage doesn't work because the well meaning users there are constantly choosing the wrong options, and the H&I doesn't work because we don't have an option to get it closed and out of the H&I.
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:34 comment added user4639281 OK, so we just had this happen where a post in the H&I was way too broad to be salvaged by any member of the community without drastically changing the intent of the question, it was flagged as VLQ because no one could edit it, then triage marked it as Looks OK, boom mod flag in the mod queue. Of course the question should just be closed, it should never be in the mod queue, so the flag should be declined, but what option do we have available to us to do that? Sure we can vote to close it, but that doesn't get it out of the H&I queue until/if it is ever closed. @Shog
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:21 comment added Shog9 ...and yes, I realize that we're sorta locked in a pattern here, where I try to tweak the system to do the right thing in response to how folks behave, and you try to alter your behavior to make the system do what you want... But those don't actually HAVE to be opposing goals.
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:18 comment added Shog9 You're over-thinking this, @Tiny. At the point where you're saying to yourself, "self, I think this may just be salvageable. Verily, the makings of a good question are buried in this fetid ground. But self, dear self, WHO could be trusted with such an undertaking?" - that's the point where you've overthought it. Back up a bit, before you undertook this archaeology and reflection, to when the scent of the question first entered your nostrils and you cast around frantically for any sign of intelligence - THAT'S when the decision to flag or not is made.
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:14 comment added user4639281 @Shog Does your no one include the author of the question? Skipping it leaves it open for someone else to make a meaningless edit and send it to the H&I queue. While we're on the topic, is there any stats about questions edited in the H&I that are subsequently closed? Is it really not worth it to have an option to vote / flag for closure and send it to the close queue?
Jan 14, 2016 at 3:08 comment added Shog9 You have three choices, @Tiny: Edit, Skip and VLQ. VLQ is the "ejector seat" button - not only are you unable to edit it, you're convinced that NO ONE can edit it into something worth having around.
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:56 comment added user4639281 I'm referring to "If the question should just be closed, and cannot be edited by the community" as said in my first comment here. Sure I can submit an edit that will remove it from the H&I, but that won't make the question any more on-topic, and goes against my own advice to not edit off-topic questions if I cannot make them on-topic @Shog9.
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:54 comment added Shog9 why are they still crap after you're editing them, @Tiny?
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:50 comment added user4639281 @Shog9 So I should edit the crap questions and send them to the homepage? That seems to defeat the whole point of Triage / H&I stopping bad questions from being shown there.
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:47 comment added Shog9 No, it hasn't, @Tiny - just reserve those actions for stuff that is of very low quality. Stuff like this (hat-tip hichris)
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:27 comment added user4639281 Flagging as VLQ is the recommended method of sending a question back to triage, and the only listed method of getting a question out of the H&I other than editing and sending the question to the homepage. Has that guidance changed?
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:16 comment added user4639281 Does voting to close a question remove it from the H&I?
Jan 14, 2016 at 2:04 comment added George Stocker Mod @TinyGiant if you don't think it's bad enough to be deleted immediately, vote to close or edit it.
Jan 13, 2016 at 22:58 comment added user4639281 In the H&I queue there is no "send it back to triage, the reviewers are on glue" button. Editing, or flagging as VLQ are your only options to get the question out of the queue. If the question should just be closed, and cannot be edited by the community (i.e. the triage reviewers should have chosen unsalvageable), the only option is to flag as VLQ, which sends it back to triage, but ends up getting us declined flags when they get processed. So... what exactly should we be doing in that situation?
Jan 13, 2016 at 21:50 comment added George Stocker Mod @Deduplicator It does; but by the time it gets to a moderator (either an hour or a day later), you're still asking for deletion. That's all we can do with it. Decline to delete it or delete it.
Jan 13, 2016 at 21:49 vote accept Gert Arnold
Jan 13, 2016 at 21:49 comment added Gert Arnold OK, crystal clear, thanks. I only wish the description of the flag was that decisive.
Jan 13, 2016 at 21:48 comment added Deduplicator Doesn't VLQ on questions push things (back) into the triage queue any longer?
Jan 13, 2016 at 21:47 history answered George StockerMod CC BY-SA 3.0