Timeline for Is unit testing being used at Stack Overflow?
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Dec 17, 2015 at 4:04 | comment | added | Greg Bray Staff | And we honestly do have some of the best PMs I have ever had the pleasure of working with. SREs often rely on their docs to understand new projects and get answers to our questions. | |
Dec 17, 2015 at 4:01 | comment | added | Greg Bray Staff | @JonH we had a few projects that dragged on much longer than they should have. We now are trying out a "strict deadline, negotiable scope" model in an attempt to fail/succeed faster and not waste months on the wrong project or trying to perfect something before shipping. We hope this means more betas, and a quicker turnaround from beta to a mature product. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 20:21 | comment | added | Kasra Rahjerdi Staff | @JonH as I mentioned in the post, we do have different tiers of our webservers running for that purpose. We test out things for weeks (sometimes months) before actually pushing them out, but we're never going to be able to find all the edge cases and bugs that actual users can find. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 20:20 | comment | added | JonH | @Laura - Instead of rushing and pushing stuff out - I don't see the need of some of the stuff you guys push out so quickly, why isn't there a reflection period and testing period before you guys put it out in beta. I know you guys are looking for some meta discussions but I can almost guarantee if you guys didn't rush this stuff out this many bugs would not be reported. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 19:54 | comment | added | David Fullerton Mod | In defense of the PMs, I'd say it's at least 50/50 between "not well documented" and "well documented, but the devs never read it". | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 19:49 | comment | added | Kasra Rahjerdi Staff | @Laura this would be a great time for me to learn what you actually do here | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 19:47 | comment | added | Laura Staff | Hey! This answer's great, but product managers do write out specs about how stuff is supposed to work and not work for much of this stuff. :P Not always, and sometimes the specs become out of date as we're iterating internally or publicly. (We're trying to get better at writing stuff down, but as Kasra already pointed out, we're also trying to balance that with moving quickly.) | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:49 | comment | added | JonH | Okay makes sense. Thanks for the details. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:48 | comment | added | Kasra Rahjerdi Staff | We have PMs on every project (but we're actively hiring more!) -- The issue that we're talking about comes into play when the PM is the only one that has all the knowledge of how something is supposed to work in their head. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:47 | comment | added | JonH | I really recommend that you guys totally have a project manager on a feature. As much as it sounds hierarchical it is totally needed to avoid all of these issues. Good luck. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:46 | comment | added | Kasra Rahjerdi Staff | I'm scared of a lot of things, including that, yes. It will (and is) giving us grief. We write down what things do at a macro level (every month we write down what goals/features we want to get out and what success looks like) but nothing at the micro (it SHALL do X, it SHALL NOT do Y) level. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:43 | comment | added | JonH | Nothing written down about how something works. That is really scary don't you think? There needs to be some definition of how all of this works. I've probably posted over 10 or 20 simple bug fixes. You guys need mockups with proper process flows. Not knowing this information and just guessing is going to give you guys grief. | |
Dec 16, 2015 at 18:39 | history | answered | Kasra RahjerdiStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |