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To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

Beginner Questions

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic -- off-topic questions are bad no matter what) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BEGINNER beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates of intermediate/advanced questions aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because their questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated. Virtually all beginner questions with an MCVE, however, are mass-duplicating questions for the same basic issue, and their answers are never very interesting ("you need to add a semicolon").

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because their questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated. Virtually all beginner questions with an MCVE, however, are mass-duplicating questions for the same basic issue, and their answers are never very interesting ("you need to add a semicolon").

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

Beginner Questions

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic -- off-topic questions are bad no matter what) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BEGINNER question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates of intermediate/advanced questions aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because their questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated. Virtually all beginner questions with an MCVE, however, are mass-duplicating questions for the same basic issue, and their answers are never very interesting ("you need to add a semicolon").

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To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because they'retheir questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated. Virtually all beginner questions with an MCVE, however, are mass-duplicating questions for the same basic issue, and their answers are never very interesting ("you need to add a semicolon").

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because they're questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated.

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because their questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated. Virtually all beginner questions with an MCVE, however, are mass-duplicating questions for the same basic issue, and their answers are never very interesting ("you need to add a semicolon").

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To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUSBLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates.

  Now who judges what is ana BLATANTLY OBVIOUSBLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because they're questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated.

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates.

  Now who judges what is an BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

To me, yes, if they are BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicates. Now who judges what is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS duplicate in a way where the system is unlikely to be abused?

I have no idea, and that's why I must admit I'm rather against this proposal, not because I disagree with the idea, but because I can't possibly see how any attempt at a solution can't be abused and end up punishing good people.

It should not be up to the answerers to research whether every single question they answer could be a duplicate, thoroughly sweeping the site to make sure there isn't anything that anyone might consider a duplicate.

Even someone who spends 2 hours searching could end up being "wrong" here. I put "wrong" in quotes because, while this might be a controversial thing to say, "duplicate" redirection is often at least partially subjective. There won't always be cases where there is unanimous consent that a question is a duplicate, and redirections can be very misleading. For example, we might find a redirection of "Q: Why isn't my particle simulator working?" to Q: Why does QT segfault on pushing a button?". They might have the same duplicate issue, both accessing a dangling pointer, and maybe even very similar answers for both, but the redirection is extremely confusing to say the least, and hardly the type of thing anyone except someone who knows a boatload of past questions like the back of their hand could possibly expect to be able to find in a search.

To me the real problem here is on-topic (not off-topic) beginner troubleshooting questions. Beginner troubleshooting questions from people who haven't even learned how to debug yet are always duplicating the exact same basic issues over and over and over until the end of time. They get answered by the fastest gun in the west over and over and over because they're so routine and easy and quick to answer, not much personal experience required -- just the first person who can use Google or has been programming for more than a year or knows how to use a debugger. A: You're getting a segfault because you're accessing the array out of bounds. A: You used operator= instead of operator==. A: You forgot to put a semicolon here.

It's easier to see what is obviously a question from an absolute beginner, a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS beginner question. So I think we need some way to discourage these routine beginner questions and routine answers to them. I think it's easier to put the focus and spotlight on the beginner part than duplicate part.

It's why I think the issue is not duplication but actually just that the question is way too basic coming from someone with obviously too little experience to even know how to run a debugger. Way too basic means same basic issue beginners trip over manifesting themselves in hundreds of thousands of questions with MCVEs over and over and over.

Duplicates aren't even nearly as bad for the site as beginner questions. Since intermediates and experts don't ask that many questions, and because they're questions are often far more interesting than a "fix my code plz or how do I concatenate strings?", if some end up being duplicates, it's not that big of a deal since the answers could be really interesting in both and they're not mass-duplicated.

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