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I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for is generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for is generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for is generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

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I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for areis generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for are generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for is generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.

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I've finished analyzing this situation.

I believe you've made several errors in your assessment of the problem here:

  • Moderators are not elected to be curators. They're elected to moderate: to mediate disputes, rein in excesses, solve intractable problems. Curators wear tiny glasses and carry light brushes; moderators wear heavy gloves and carry shovels.
  • Chat is moderated. First and foremost by those who participate in it, with elected moderators serving as exception handlers in the manner described above.
  • Moderators generally do not enjoy moderating chat. Heck, I suspect that no one likes moderating chat; an obligation to fulfill the duties they volunteered for are generally the only reason why a moderator would step in to do so.

The conversation you quote from came a fair bit after another moderator had stepped into the room and calmly tried to provide a bit of guidance; he was met with a fairly overwhelming response, nearly all of it negative and unproductive. My final opinion on this scene was that a handful of hot-headed room regulars took what should have been at most a 5-minute interaction between two or three people and turned it into a day-long circus.

I've come to believe we need three things to help avoid situations like this in the future:

  1. Clearer documentation on the fundamental nature of chat. Disagreeing with the removal of problematic content is natural; every moderator action is a judgement call. Disagreeing with the very notion that chat is moderated or that chat should be moderated reflects a profound misunderstanding of why chat exists and what chat is. We can do better at explaining this.
  2. Better moderation guidance for room owners and moderators. The tooling available in chat is... not well-documented. There are ways of intervening without getting mobbed; for moderators who routinely delete lengthy, unproductive discussions on the main site, it should be easily possible to rein in problems in chat without sticking their foot in the proverbial tar-baby.
  3. More deletion. If it wasn't so rare, it wouldn't be worthy of so much note.

I've begun a discussion on MSE with an eye toward establishing #1; the other two will follow at length.