Timeline for Declining Numbers of Women in Programming, What Can SO do to Help?
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Nov 11, 2015 at 10:43 | comment | added | Martin James | Euthanizing the parents of daughters would help a lot, (though admittedly a bit extreme). I'm afraid that software engineering is all-to-often seen as a socially uncool profession, unsuited to their little darlings. No, I don't understand why:( Doctor good. Lawyer good, Engineer bad:(( | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 22:55 | comment | added | Morpheus | @Yvette it is indeed a very huge discussion. Discrimination is such a loaded term. If the simple fact is that there is a decline in the number of women enrolling in comp sci, I can't see how it would be unfair to men to encourage more girls to take a look at the discipline. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 21:06 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Morpheus now that is a huge discussion, why are there differences? innate/nuture? My whole point of posting this was to make a millimetre of difference. And Nick I don't think positive discrimination is the way to go, it actually leads to discrimination (against others). I just wanted to explain from a deep and personal way what it is like for women, in the hope some people might go, wow, and you never know who might be helped on the way. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 21:01 | comment | added | Morpheus | "Why would you want to help women specifically?" You suspect gender roles in early childhood is an issue. I would specifically want to help females get past that mindset (if that really is a problem) so we have a greater talent pool of software developers. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:50 | comment | added | NickJ | I don't normally point out my gender. It seemed relevent here. The general point is that we are all software developers who want to help each other. I would like to see a better balance, but I don't think positive discrimination is the right way to go about it. I believe everyone should be treated with the same respect. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:44 | comment | added | user3956566 | @ChrisF yes, the number of women enrolling on comp sci is dropping. And Nick, you don't need to shout out you're a man, we all know you're a man. Also, I don't mean to be rude, but your post shows a lack of insight into the experience women have and totally sweeps above some of the concerns. Why specifically help women? because they are leaving the field and not from lack of interest, but for many of the reasons I mentioned. My expose on how I cope was not to excuse my shortcomings, but to help explain what goes on inside many women. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:27 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | The gender imbalance in programming has got worse. When I started (over 30 years ago) there were (or appeared to be) more women in the programming workforce and all levels than there are now. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:14 | comment | added | Kendra | No worries. :) I'll clean up my comments on the matter, now that you've reworded that. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:10 | comment | added | NickJ | @Kenda yes I take that on board. I certainly didn't mean to be insulting to the OP or anyone else, merely to indicate that perhaps sometimes people feel insulted when no insult was intended. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:07 | history | edited | NickJ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Nov 10, 2015 at 20:06 | comment | added | TZHX | There definitely are instances of sexism that appear on SO, but from what I've seen it's usually pretty quick to be cleared up when brought to the attention of mods. That's not to say that everything said against a woman is sexism, of course. Sometimes people are just wrong, regardless of their gender, and get defensive and reach out for excuses rather than just admitting they are wrong. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 20:01 | comment | added | NickJ | Certainly the post you mentioned is sexist and has hopefully deleted. Sometimes people don't think, and can be generally offensive (sexist or otherwise) but luckily such instances are few and far between. The word 'almost' was deliberately included. | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 19:55 | comment | added | Patrice | I'm with you on the "a man with 4 other men stacking against him would feel intimidated." I'm a tall and large guy, and having a heated discussion where I'm alone... I feel intimidated, no matter if I'm arguing with men, women, both. I also don't like using gender as an excuse. But there are still facts that sexism DOES appear on the network. I've recently replied to a girl who got an answer critiqued with "obviously you have to be a girl to answer with such terrible methods". So I think it's very unfair to say that this is all in the OP's mind | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 19:54 | comment | added | Kendra | "Anyone would feel intimidated if they were odd-one-out in a heated discussion." Except Chuck Norris. I would say Jon Skeet, but Jon Skeet is never outnumbered. He just creates a program to put the numbers in order on his side. (A more serious comment will follow- For the most part, I like your answer.) | |
Nov 10, 2015 at 19:50 | history | answered | NickJ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |