Timeline for What is the line where "is it bad practice..." questions become opinion based?
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Nov 6, 2015 at 3:26 | comment | added | njzk2 |
catching Exception is frowned upon what now?
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Nov 5, 2015 at 10:09 | comment | added | Kelsey Hannan | A question can still have an objective set of right answers, even if it lacks a convenient single one line answer. Neither of the example questions above should be closed, because they are seeking objective answers to real technical problems. Asking if it's bad practice to use recursion in a constructor can be answered objectively by explaining, in detail, the technical implications of using recursion in a constructor. If that's objectively a bad idea, then instead of closing the question, comments should be used to clarify the question, then answer based on the use case. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 22:48 | comment | added | Jonah | @Makoto, Your certainty, imo, stems from thorough indoctrination in the absurd rules of SO moderation. I am questioning the rule itself, not arguing about whether the close is correct application of SO mod law. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds -- this should be motto of SO meta, and incorporated into the logo. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 22:44 | comment | added | Makoto | @Jonah: I have no doubts in my mind that the second question should've been closed, since again - I raised questions that are orthogonal to the actual question at hand (why would you do this, why do you feel the need to do this in the constructor vs a factory method, etc). | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 22:42 | comment | added | Jonah | The answer you just posted is highly useful, and almost certainly the type of answer the poster is seeking. The site would be better off with that answer than with the question closed. What is "subjective" is the line between "objectivity" and "subjectivity." Rather than deny this fact and live in mortal fear of "opinion," moderators should accept that sometimes judgment is involved in the distinction. Neither of these questions is likely to generate fruitless debate. They are likely to generate answers like yours. They should both remain open. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 20:03 | comment | added | chrylis -cautiouslyoptimistic- | @Makoto: Just as a note, in the case you mentioned, it appears that the method is trying a last-ditch cleanup of a connection after it's already thrown an uncaught exception, so something's already gone uncontrollably wrong and been logged. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 18:09 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @Servy: Looks like there's a link to the same blog post here on SO. It's network-wide guidance. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 16:39 | comment | added | Makoto | @Two-BitAlchemist: My intent was to draw attention to the actual question matter as opposed to the phrasing. I can make that more explicit when I have a bit of time later. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 15:00 | comment | added | Two-Bit Alchemist | I think this answer is fascinating in light of the specific question at hand, but does little to answer the general nature of the OP's inquiry. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 14:12 | comment | added | Keppil | I vote to close this discussion since it is opinion based. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 5:42 | comment | added | Servy | There are objective an clear reasons why I like apples better than oranges. That doesn't make the question any less primarily opinion based. Also keep in mind that "Good Subjective, Bad Subjective" are guidelines for Programmers, not Stack Overflow. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 5:38 | comment | added | Makoto | @Servy: Perhaps this is a case of Good Subjective, Bad Subjective. I still say that there are objective and clear reasons why catching it is a good idea, but I'd rather not mire either of us any further this evening. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 5:33 | comment | added | Servy |
The opinion is whether or not it's actually a good idea to catch Throwable . You can list all sorts of facts about what happens when you do it, but to conclude whether or not its a "good idea" is purely an opinion. And, as I said in my answer, if you choose to read the question as, "tell me every good and bad thing about catching Throwable ", as you're pretending the question reads by ignoring the fact that it's only asking for an opinion, then that just makes it, "Too Broad".
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Nov 4, 2015 at 5:29 | comment | added | Makoto |
@Servy: Help me understand then; what's the specific opinions being held about catching Throwable ? I've perused that question and I don't see anything in it (or the other questions just like it) that is entirely based in opinion.
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Nov 4, 2015 at 5:26 | comment | added | Servy | Again, you're not saying that it's not opinion based, you're saying that it's an opinion that you just want to share even though it's an opinion. If you think that opinion based questions should be on topic, you can propose a polity change to that effect (just realize that it's been proposed hundreds of times, you should be prepared to bring something new to the table). But saying that this question isn't opinion based because you enjoy sharing your opinions on this topic, and another question is opinion based because you find the opinions uninteresting is completely inappropriate. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 5:22 | comment | added | Makoto |
@Servy: I maintain that there are clear and concise consequences from writing such code. Everyone may have an opinion on how to deal with the result, but the question itself isn't opinionated. There are very clear and legitimate reasons why you mustn't, and there are certain times when it makes sense to. Teasing that nuance out in an answer is important for someone that may be writing the next big Java framework who is suddenly forced to catch Throwable . Locking that knowledge up because it seems opinionated really defeats a lot of the purpose here.
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Nov 4, 2015 at 5:15 | comment | added | Servy | Yes, you can objectively state what people's opinions on the subject are. The fact that it's an fact that you (or even lots of people) hold a given opinion doesn't make the question not opinion based. It's the opposite in fact; it's what makes it opinion based. If someone asks, "What's better, apples or oranges?" you don't say that it's not opinion based just because you can objectively say that you like apples better. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 5:08 | comment | added | Makoto |
@Servy: There really is an objective answer as to why catching Throwable is discouraged. There's no opinions to be had here; there's straight talk about why doing this is bad in practice. There's also room to explain why one might want to do this in practice as well. I see no opinion here.
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Nov 4, 2015 at 4:59 | comment | added | Servy | So you're saying that an opinion based question isn't opinion based if lots of people share the same opinion? Sorry, but that's not how that works. That one opinion is much more common than another doesn't make the question any less opinion based. | |
Nov 4, 2015 at 3:53 | history | answered | Makoto | CC BY-SA 3.0 |