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Aug 14, 2016 at 16:19 comment added tktsubota Possible duplicate of The Un-shipping of Teams
Dec 17, 2015 at 12:42 comment added Steve Ebersole A week or so ago I added a request to create a Team. I have not heard any kind of reply. Anyone know the amount of time I should expect to hear anything back?
Nov 14, 2015 at 10:03 answer added Peeyush Kushwaha timeline score: 3
Oct 27, 2015 at 14:55 history edited Thomas OrozcoStaff
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Oct 26, 2015 at 15:43 comment added Liam Is this still happening.........................................?
Oct 26, 2015 at 14:48 answer added JDB timeline score: 26
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Oct 26, 2015 at 14:04 comment added Karoly Horvath On a meta level (we are on the meta site after all) this Team Thingy™ is going to get rehashed until people lose interest in responding. The good ol' illusion of choice...
Oct 26, 2015 at 13:04 comment added null So it's basically like a tag with two levels of subscription? (being a member and being a subscriber) Only members can edit the wiki freely and tag things with the group tag.
Oct 26, 2015 at 5:09 comment added zxq9 I was worried that SO would digest itself for short-term gain in a misguided effort to create a social platform. That fear has been allayed somewhat. I'm still not convinced of the utility of this idea, but believe that SO is engaged in productive thought instead of trying to generate a panting fanboi webgasm over a pointless social feature. I still don't think anyone has clearly identified a concrete problem that this solves; this is a stab in the dark at something but you still don't know what. SO will not destroy itself any faster than it already is because of this. So good.
Oct 23, 2015 at 17:05 answer added Air timeline score: 6
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:42 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco I removed my comment - I'll humble myself and give this a try. I mean you got the best programmers working on this stuff...its only fair to give it a try. I'll also remove my -1.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:35 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco - So joining the beta means you have the ability to "create" a team. Not joining the beta means you can still look at parts of the team pages? Ok thanks.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:35 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @JonH Not live yet. I or Hynes will post an update when the beta starts and that is live.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:34 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco - Earlier you mentioned you could look at but not necessairly create a team (unless you join the beta). Can you provide instructions on where this can be found within the current site? Or is that not available and I misread something?
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:31 comment added JonH @AnnaLear - Your right my appologies - I get what you mean there is passion in it. I only mentioned PM to maybe be the goto contact to avoid issues like the one you guys are facing - not knowing exactly what this product does.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:30 comment added Adam Lear StaffMod @JonH Product managers are involved at various stages as well, but they're not the only ones allowed to come up with, be passionate about, or spearhead ideas around here. You're clearly not comfortable with the way we work where we don't figure out every detail upfront. That's fair enough. But, Thomas is right - this is not the place to debate who is working on any given project or feature.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:24 comment added JonH (cont...) functionality manage that part of the project there might be a clearer direction. The 2 posts concerning teams always seems to say "..we dont know how it will work..." and that is pretty concerning.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:23 comment added JonH @Oded maybe that's the problem? Could the fact that not having a pm who leads a project contribute to all the "bug" and "feature-requests" on meta. I know myself when I used careers found tons of issues. I made several posts about them, some of which have never been resolved. You can check my meta-stackexchange posts with tags on careers. My point is as annoying as it might be, it may be a good idea to have core people manage these sites. This avoids the number of issues and bugs that show up on the sites that are quickly patched. If there was someone who had the role of "Team"...
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:19 comment added Oded StaffMod @JonH - we don't have project managers, as such at Stack Overflow. Never had 'em, never needed them. A project can be spearheaded by anyone - we have pretty smart people here, regardless of what their title is, and they can all manage a project pretty well.
Oct 23, 2015 at 14:08 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @JonH Please don't make this argument about the people working on it. I understand that you think there is too much uncertainty (and I respect your opinion), but let's keep it civil. Thanks!
Oct 23, 2015 at 13:52 comment added JonH I honestly have never seen such a project with so much uncertainty. There is so much uncertainty and ambiguity in this entire proposal.
Oct 23, 2015 at 11:36 answer added Mik Seljamaa timeline score: -20
Oct 23, 2015 at 11:16 comment added Sobrique Honestly, I can't see the point. That's not to say there isn't one, just I can't understand why I'd want or need to join a team as described. Unless it's team "Don't use regex to parse XML" or similar.
Oct 22, 2015 at 21:25 comment added TylerH @ThomasOrozco Ok, thanks
Oct 22, 2015 at 21:13 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @TylerH No, to my knowledge (disclaimer: I joined after this idea was formed), there was no pressure from e.g. recruiters on SO Careers to build something like Team Pages. Hynes might have something to add here, since he was one of the original people behind the idea.
Oct 22, 2015 at 21:08 answer added Bergi timeline score: 89
Oct 22, 2015 at 21:05 comment added TylerH "Teams started from an observation [...] which breaks down when [...]" Out of curiosity, who has been reporting problems with profile flatness? Recruiters on SO Careers? I'm just wondering whether there's actually a business motive for this before you decided to do it, or if you decided to do it hoping it would mesh well with the business operations.
Oct 22, 2015 at 20:05 comment added Joshua Drake I do not see how any team gets this feature right when they hand wave fundamental concerns. Sprinkling community on it does not solve the problem, if it did SO would never started in the first place. Technology is fundamental. I am even more concerned that, twice now, the value has not been communicated clearly. I do admit that I can see some value in having the ability to ask product specific questions that are no longer welcome on SO, but that assumes that the "right" teams participate and that fact points to the lack of general usefulness.
Oct 22, 2015 at 20:02 answer added user50049 timeline score: 24
Oct 22, 2015 at 20:00 comment added Joshua Drake @ThomasOrozco Just go look at linkedin, facebook, or any one of another million websites. No one wants to be experts-exchange. Even The New York Times is starting to look like the side bar should read "1 surprising trick to remove belly fat", etc.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:34 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @PeterMortensen As noted in the post, one of the goals in the long term is to complement Careers with things like Teams that allow for a hiring experience that works better for developers (i.e. starting with the people, not the HR-authored job ad). We're not there yet, though (we have a lot of thinking left to do), so it's hard to share a lot more detail!
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:29 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @Linuxios duly noted; thanks!
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:28 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @TravisJ Yes, initially everyone will have the same permissions (that's how it'll be when the private beta ships), but permissions (or maybe tiers of memberships as you're suggesting!) are indeed one of the first things we plan to work on after private beta ships. We're not 100% sure of what it'll look like yet, though!
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:28 comment added Peter Mortensen Wouldn't this undermine revenue from Stack Overflow’s Careers?
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:25 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: I will say, however, that while Teams doesn't sound that bad to me anymore, I am still completely against Team Q&A, unless totally revamped away from product support. I'm on the fence about the idle curiosity technical questions, but not product support.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:23 comment added Travis J @ThomasOrozco - Anyone can join (by structure to be determined) a team. However, there seems to be no limits on what can happen once joined. If someone is trying to get a feel for the culture, perhaps they shouldn't be editing the main page, blogging through the team page, etc. What I am trying to get at here is, perhaps the Team shouldn't be a round table. Have you considered adding in a small tier of authorization/roles/access to differentiate between a team owner/founder, some sort of established part of the team, and new members who may just be looking around or "pledging" so to speak?
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:22 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: And with Team Q/A now much diminished in the proposal (thankfully), at least this is firmly on the "person" side of the line, like the About Me, rather than strangely straddling that line and threatening to actually harm SO by draining and fragmenting questions, and by creating hard-to-moderate havens for bad questions.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:20 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @Linuxios Shog9 hammered that point home (that on SO/SE you should vote on the content not the poeple). We want Team pages to be something you go to when you want to learn more about the person behind the content, but we don't want Teams to be where you go to find content. It's a fine line, but you can be reassured that we have some great people here keeping an eye out for it. As to monitoring posts: yes I mean posts in the teams tag, though to be honest a comment on a post we own will notify us.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:17 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: Perfect. And my "monitoring posts", I assume you mean meta posts in the [teams] tag?
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:16 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @Linuxios No, you don't need to join the beta to watch. Actually, the only thing beta access will gate is creating a Team (you'll even be able to join one without having access). We're doing it this way to ensure we don't get overwhelmed in moderation (as mentioned in the post, we'll be taking that one ourselves during the beta period until we understand how moderation should work).
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:16 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: Also, just so you have it, I can at least give the one other reason I think it struck me (and others) wrong: for a long time a mantra on SO (and SE in general) was "Vote on the content, not on the user", or more generally, "It's about the content, not the user". This feature felt like a complete reversal of that mantra.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:13 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: Happy to. Quick question -- do I need to join the beta just to watch (without joining a team)?
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:12 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @Linuxios That's a fair point; thanks for taking the time to expand. I think this might come down to disagreement over words (i.e. we don't think the same thing when we say "social"), but if you don't mind I'll make the same request of you that I made of Travis earlier: we'll be monitoring the posts about Teams. If you see something going sideways, tell us, and tell us early (comment, or my email's in my profile). When we're heads down in a project, it's easy to lose track of things that matter (example: the "following" kerfuffle). External input helps us stay on track.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:10 comment added JonH @TimPost - LOL :-)
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:09 comment added user50049 @JonH I would ask "which boss", but you'd probably reply "yes" which would only heighten my paranoia. I'm therefore going to thank you for your patience, and find a foil remnant that might make a good hat.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:06 comment added JonH @TimPost - You're a gentleman and a scholar - I dont care what your boss says about you ;-). Thanks!
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:06 comment added Linuxios @ThomasOrozco: It just feels like were back to dialogue, rather than the other post, which felt like a battle. I'm still skeptical, and I do think that Travis got it right: "So the main problem this feature solves is that it makes you able to showcase your team accomplishments. And then you tout that as not being socially motivated?", however, I'm not really worried about SO as a whole anymore.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:06 comment added user50049 @JonH We just finished collecting responses from that after chasing down folks that didn't reply, and we had the annual product summit fall right in the middle of that (which I failed to account / plan for). The final list is going out to our warehouse tomorrow. Some stuff was shipped, the rest of it is going out Monday / Tuesday of next week.
Oct 22, 2015 at 19:02 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @Linuxios This is great to hear, and it's encouraging for us to see that we correctly identified and understood at least some of the feedback that was provided last time! : )
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:52 comment added JonH @TimPost Since we have you here...where in the world is my SO mug I was promised months ago? We're now past the 6-8 weeks...
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:51 comment added Linuxios @TimPost: I can't speak for the others who opposed the initial proposal, but this post I think at least address the other half of the resistance to the proposal -- not its problems, but it being representative of a shift from the core vision and all of the problems that would come from that. I think that was the "worst" that most people where imagining, and it's been addressed now.
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:49 comment added Linuxios I was one of the (somewhat) vocal critics on the original post, and I would like to say, that while some of my concerns still stand, I'd really like to thank the team for not blindly ignoring the community on this. I was (and I'm sure many others) concerned that the company would ignore the (frankly, quite large) backlash against the original posting, and that it would spell the beginning of the end of the great record of dialogue between the company and the community. I don't that that's the case anymore, so hooray!
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:46 comment added user50049 Folks, these things will exist, and they will be easy to discover, but nobody is going to be pushing "come join our team" down your throat, nor will we be pushing careers on anyone that has no interest there - beyond the job ads that you normally see, and have seen for quite a while. This stuff is there for you if you want or need it, it will not be getting in your way otherwise. I think we have a pretty good record that speaks for itself when it comes to not forcing anything on anyone that doesn't want it, starting in the very early days with reduced ads. Let's not imagine the worst?
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:36 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff Hey @JoshuaDrake, I'm not sure what you mean by recommendations and "Hey come see my team page!" sidebars? Would you mind expanding a little bit? I understand you're concerned about we might to with Teams (which makes sense; in the long term it may be a big change), but I'd like to make sure I grasp the specifics.
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:32 comment added Joshua Drake Saying "you can already do this on your profile" is not really an argument. A conclusion: Spending time, brain power, and good will building Teams will improve SO. does NOT follow from, "People post information about themselves in their profiles." Today I can easily ignore who the poster is and focus on the content. The fact that I can already envision the recommendations, and the "Hey come see my team page!" sidebars should be an indication that these are not equivalent. We can't even get a post that fails to adhere removed on Careers, maybe because everyone is busy pushing this?
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:11 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff Thanks @davidism, the best / most useful feedback is the feedback that comes from those that aren't convinced. Keep it coming, you know where to find me / us!
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:09 comment added davidism You took the original response to heart and came up with a much more reasonable feature in both scope and presentation. I'm part of sopython, and while I'm still hesitant about this, I think at this point participating in the beta will be the most productive way to determine if it will be beneficial.
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:08 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @TravisJ I understand; thanks for taking the time to answer! The best I can say right now regarding resources is that we realize it's a problem, and we're trying to address it by moving developers and designers over from Careers to work on "Core" (i.e. Stack Overflow)... and hiring (surely this will be easier once we have a Team page! ;D — too soon?). Regarding Team pages being perhaps harmful: we'll probably have more posts about them during the beta (to announce changes, etc.), if you see things going sideways... ping us there and let us know (we really need to know).
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:05 comment added enderland @JonH just use site:stackoverflow.com search term on google when searching... that works way better for me than in site search.
Oct 22, 2015 at 18:01 comment added Travis J @ThomasOrozco - I have no crystal ball so I cannot say if it would be actively harmful, Stack Overflow is resilient and that would be a rather large claim to make. However, I do think that it would perhaps detract from the focus or perhaps draw users into just being job shop workers for obscure teams. I don't think it would be that useful. I could be wrong. I don't think it will help a majority of users, or even more than a third. The main issue I have with Teams is that it takes time from the Stack Overflow team that could have been spent better in my opinion.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:57 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @TravisJ A lot of Stack Overflow users already use their profile this way. I'd argue that does not mean Stack Overflow is a social network (in the same way that e.g. Twitter might be), but I understand you have a different perspective. Do you mean to say that Teams might be actively harmful to Stack Overflow, or just not that useful?
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Oct 22, 2015 at 17:50 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco - So you'd rather spend time building on a beta than fixing search? That is how I see your responses.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:49 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco - If it's a fair point pull up your sleeves and send an email to joel and tell him you guys have work to do on the search. Forget about teams and docs fix what sucks in general. What sucks right now is search and when users are interested in a site like this about questions and answers and search doesn't work then BOOM. The questioners who post new questions are then greeted with "Closed as a duplicate" and down voted to God knows where is a telling tale that search doesn't work.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:49 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @JonH To your point regarding no one using Teams: it's not worthwhile for us to work on things no one is using, so if that turns out to be the case, we won't blindly push forward.
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Oct 22, 2015 at 17:47 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @JonH That's a fair point. As we mentioned in the post we're working on getting more developers to work on the Q&A stuff so that there doesn't have to be a decision between Teams (docs, etc.) and Q&A improvements. This is slower than we'd want, and the frustration there is understandable.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:46 comment added JonH @TravisJ - No one will use it...mark my words...the people that will use it will either be employees of the company or teams that no one will be interested and they'll fade away because programmers don't really care about this sort of stuff. Careers is the right place for this not stackoverflow.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:45 comment added Travis J So the main problem this feature solves is that it makes you able to showcase your team accomplishments. And then you tout that as not being socially motivated? I don't think showcasing personal achievements is a problem that Stack Overflow needs to solve, nor that developers in general have a problem with on a daily basis.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:42 comment added JonH @ThomasOrozco - Why don't you guys spend the time fixing all the current issues with SE in general instead of making up some random features that your users are telling you you don't need. For instance, search is one prime example, why not build on that...search is pivotal in any application - especially one like this. The current search engine and search UI in general lacks. Stop building features and start improving the user experience and core important things related to questions such as search. If you can make search solid people won't even bother searching google.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:39 comment added Jon Ericson Staff @JonH: I haven't even used the feature yet. As you can see, the scope has been scaled way back which means there are fewer things we don't know by default. It's the nature of building a new thing that we can't know how it's going to be used until we try. (That said, we can make a bunch of educated guesses and design the feature to be less open to undesirable behavior. I don't think we have a concept of "likes" for instance.)
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:39 comment added Travis J What did Jeff have to say about this proposal?
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:30 comment added Thomas Orozco Staff @j08691 We (I work on this with Hynes) understand that Teams aren't going to be immediately useful to everyone on SO (that's a tall order!). We hope to start building some structure around Team pages (which can be compelling as-is to some users, but not necessarily to a majority), and progressively add new features to make them compelling to more people (e.g. maybe by addressing the support use case Shog mentioned in his response on the last post with Q&A, etc.). Exactly what those should be is undetermined as of yet (that's what the beta's for, among other things).
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:27 comment added JonH "We get some actual teams using the feature" but what is that "Actual Teams" I don't know about you but I highly doubt anyone is going to get all of their co-workers to join a team or branch into teams just because of their likes? I mean to me this is social networking - and for a site like this it's asinine. I mean you guys have posted twice about this and none of it is convincing. Is this like GitHub where developers become "Contributors". You guys keep saying the key word "think" this tells me and others that you guys don't even know what this is.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:24 comment added Jon Ericson Staff @JonH: Part of the goal of teams is that it not disrupt the workflow of people not interested in team pages. I think we will learn a lot in the private beta about how to achieve that goal. The biggest unknown that I see is that team pages might impact moderators (who are already overworked). We just won't know how that will play out until we get some actual teams using the feature.
Oct 22, 2015 at 17:22 comment added Two-Bit Alchemist You can easily name yourself Guido van Rossum, but unless you're Martijn Peters I don't think you're going to convince anyone. =)
Oct 22, 2015 at 16:46 comment added JonH @j08691 - It's not just a problem for you, its for a LOT of folks on SO. Just look at the other post. I personally find this a feature that disrupts SO in general.
Oct 22, 2015 at 16:43 comment added j08691 This looks like it has some real potential, unfortunately I don't see myself using it at all. I'm just not getting how this helps me. I'd say this looks like a solution in search of a problem, but I'm guessing that it's just me (as usual) and that based on the feedback you received others find this something they'd use often.
Oct 22, 2015 at 16:42 comment added JonH -1 I still don't see any value added with this social feature. Aside from you guys putting a careers type feature into stackoverflow and burdening it.
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Oct 22, 2015 at 16:16 comment added ryanyuyu This makes the new feature seems better suited for the community now. Gotta love the built-in feedback engine that is meta.
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