Timeline for What should be considered a healthy close votes queue?
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Sep 17, 2015 at 0:23 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @Shog9: I'm not going to say that the current system should be scrapped for one of its predecessors. But I will say I don't think it solves everything. The existence of a massive backlog is a design smell, and the fact that it would take three times (or more likely, six or seven times, counting the halving of reviews at <1000 entries) as many reviewers to have any hope of getting it down to zero is fundamentally disturbing. I do have some ideas, but the margin is too small to contain their proof. | |
Sep 17, 2015 at 0:17 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | I'm in favor of fast closing when it's actually necessary, @Nathan. You can't fake it though; folks seem generally disinclined to close certain questions, and increasing the size of the queue by withholding aging just ensured that those which did need to be closed got lost in the noise. Remember, the existence of a backlog was a created problem - and the problem it was created to solve still exists if questions aren't actually getting closed. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 22:25 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @gnat: Well, rapid close or leave open, one or the other. That would make on hold a bit more significant and healthy by requiring quick reopens once a question had details added or whatever. On the whole I think that would be good, and all other flags/votes tend to move on that timescale. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 21:51 | comment | added | gnat | @NathanTuggy it's not a sarcasm (I remember times when there were 60K, 80K, over 100K questions with close votes) but your point is an interesting twist, I need to give it a thought. As for making close queue near zero, I am not very comfortable with this, at scale of Stack Overflow this feels somewhat unstable. Near zero queue would likely mean insta-close of almost any question that gets flagged / voted, it doesn't feel right for closing to be that easy | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 21:30 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @gnat: Not sure if sarcasm... but any routinely non-zero, much less non-zero-able, queue size seems instinctively and inherently dysfunctional. "We're going to randomly toss about two thirds of initial votes and flags, because they didn't accumulate enough buy-in" sounds more like a problem of scale than a fundamentally sound principle, made more prominent by the pride SE (rightly) takes in solving such problems of scale everywhere else. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 14:54 | comment | added | gnat | did you manage to handle that old issue with close-worthy triaged questions hanging in limbo? (FWIW 23800 looks like a really healthy amount to me) | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 12:28 | comment | added | Harry | @CodeCaster: Yes and in some cases the vote of a user who knows enough about the subject is not given the level of importance that it can be afforded. For example, the dupe hammer could be given to silver badge users (say 3 silver users to close), opinion based and typo error closure reasons could also do with a hammer like behavior because surely a gold badge user should know enough about them. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 12:07 | comment | added | CodeCaster | What @Maarten said. "Aging" of votes is not a solution to the problem. The problem is: someone thinks the question needs to be closed, but not enough people know enough about the subject, or don't understand the close reason enough to agree with that, hence the question stays open. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 11:57 | comment | added | Maarten Bodewes | @TravisJ It feels a bit too much like ignoring the problem to me. This figure tells me that alternatives may still be needed and could / should be discussed. It also explains why a lot of the crypto questions I try to close remain open (outside of the odd dupe with encryption of course, got a GM for that). | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 5:33 | comment | added | Travis J | I really like what you guys did with the close vote queue. Definitely an improvement over the six figure stuff that we were beaten over the head with for a while. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 3:42 | comment | added | user3717023 | 1700 escaping via aging vs 50 via Leave Open is quite a difference. One could conclude that Skip is the new Leave Open; the effect is about the same except Skip doesn't count toward review limit. | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 2:54 | comment | added | Maarten Bodewes | Thanks for the insight, Shog9 | |
Sep 16, 2015 at 2:16 | history | answered | Shog9Mod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |