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Proposal for ana punishment system for ninja responders

I have observed that there are a lot of Ninjaninja responders when a new question was asked by a user. The given answers there are of very poor quality and often very general.

The procedure is always the same, the. The responder tries as quickly as possible to give an (short) answer without looking at the post quality. The intention is to potentially be the first person whose answer will be accepted (or the first attention is paid on) only to gain maximum reputation. However, shortly afterwards, this response is then modified several times, so that this answer will not be voted down or is replaced by a better response from another person.

This approach has several drawbacks for the whole community I think. It discourages a potential responder to make the work to write a detailed response, as these after they have written the detailed answer, just one of many who have given more or less the same answer, but just with the disadvantage that their response hardly will find attention by others. It seems to be so that the rating for answers which once were up-voted, are rarely changed again even if there are answers with better quality (my subjective opinion).

I think this is not easy. One idea would be to detect if ana given answer has been modified n times right after composing it. Another idea would be to detect if the answer has been modified much right after composing either by detecting size change more than half for example.

Idea'sIdeas for punishment would be:

Edit: Should this question be closed?

I think it does not only discussesdiscuss the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'?Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? does, but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon!Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon!, but there no punishment system is suggested.

There are mostly helpful comments, and one commentorcommenter has a remarkable solution which addresses one side of the problem (preventing others from answering questions). Answers should not be visible within first N minutes. This however doesn't solve the problem of ninja responders.

Another solution I could imagine is to encourage more users to down votedownvote answers. My idea would be to allow edits, but make thisthese edits visible only after 15 minutes (may bemaybe longer the time each time a modification was made), so that others are able to judge the initial quality of the answer.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took a long time for it.

This algorithm of course need to be transparent,transparent; no invisible line that are suddenly crossed. I could imagine something like a warning "If you edit this post within 5 minutes you are not eligible for reputation in the next 30 minutes" or so.

The real big question here is, do: Do we want to change anything or do we all participate in this game? Like politicanspoliticians raising their financial compensation for their selfsthemselves.

Proposal for an punishment system for ninja responders

I have observed that there are a lot of Ninja responders when a new question was asked by a user. The given answers there are of very poor quality and often very general.

The procedure is always the same, the responder tries as quickly as possible to give an (short) answer without looking at the post quality. The intention is to potentially be the first person whose answer will be accepted (or the first attention is paid on) only to gain maximum reputation. However, shortly afterwards, this response is then modified several times, so that this answer will not be voted down or is replaced by a better response from another person.

This approach has several drawbacks for the whole community I think. It discourages potential responder to make the work to write a detailed response, as these after they have written the detailed answer, just one of many who have given more or less the same answer, but just with the disadvantage that their response hardly will find attention by others. It seems to be so that the rating for answers which once were up-voted, are rarely changed again even if there are answers with better quality (my subjective opinion).

I think this is not easy. One idea would be to detect if an given answer has been modified n times right after composing it. Another idea would be to detect if the answer has been modified much right after composing either by detecting size change more than half for example.

Idea's for punishment would be:

Edit: Should this question be closed?

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

There are mostly helpful comments, and one commentor has a remarkable solution which addresses one side of the problem (preventing others from answering questions). Answers should not be visible within first N minutes. This however doesn't solve the problem of ninja responders.

Another solution I could imagine is to encourage more users to down vote answers. My idea would be to allow edits but make this edits visible only after 15 minutes (may be longer the time each time a modification was made), so that others are able to judge the initial quality of the answer.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took long time for it.

This algorithm of course need to be transparent, no invisible line that are suddenly crossed. I could imagine something like a warning "If you edit this post within 5 minutes you are not eligible for reputation in the next 30 minutes" or so.

The real big question here is, do we want to change anything or do we all participate in this game? Like politicans raising their financial compensation for their selfs.

Proposal for a punishment system for ninja responders

I have observed that there are a lot of ninja responders when a new question was asked by a user. The given answers there are of very poor quality and often very general.

The procedure is always the same. The responder tries as quickly as possible to give an (short) answer without looking at the post quality. The intention is to potentially be the first person whose answer will be accepted (or the first attention is paid on) only to gain maximum reputation. However, shortly afterwards, this response is then modified several times, so that this answer will not be voted down or is replaced by a better response from another person.

This approach has several drawbacks for the whole community I think. It discourages a potential responder to make the work to write a detailed response, as these after they have written the detailed answer, just one of many who have given more or less the same answer, but just with the disadvantage that their response hardly will find attention by others. It seems to be so that the rating for answers which once were up-voted, are rarely changed again even if there are answers with better quality (my subjective opinion).

I think this is not easy. One idea would be to detect if a given answer has been modified n times right after composing it. Another idea would be to detect if the answer has been modified much right after composing either by detecting size change more than half for example.

Ideas for punishment would be:

Should this question be closed?

I think it does not only discuss the quality of answers as article Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? does, but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon!, but there no punishment system is suggested.

There are mostly helpful comments, and one commenter has a remarkable solution which addresses one side of the problem (preventing others from answering questions). Answers should not be visible within first N minutes. This however doesn't solve the problem of ninja responders.

Another solution I could imagine is to encourage more users to downvote answers. My idea would be to allow edits, but make these edits visible only after 15 minutes (maybe longer the time each time a modification was made), so that others are able to judge the initial quality of the answer.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took a long time for it.

This algorithm of course need to be transparent; no invisible line that are suddenly crossed. I could imagine something like a warning "If you edit this post within 5 minutes you are not eligible for reputation in the next 30 minutes" or so.

The real big question here is: Do we want to change anything or do we all participate in this game? Like politicians raising their financial compensation for themselves.

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This proposal may be a bit related to this post Proposal for an approval system for questionsProposal for an approval system for questions

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'?Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon!Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

This proposal may be a bit related to this post Proposal for an approval system for questions

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

This proposal may be a bit related to this post Proposal for an approval system for questions

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

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I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took long time for it.

This algorithm of course need to be transparent, no invisible line that are suddenly crossed. I could imagine something like a warning "If you edit this post within 5 minutes you are not eligible for reputation in the next 30 minutes" or so.

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took long time for it.

I think it does not only discusses the quality of answers as this article does Is it all right to flag very new answer as 'very low quality'? but it should be a point for discussion if this behavior is a problem or if we should support or tolerate such behavior, and if not what we could do to stop it. It has some relations with Placeholder Answers: Will update with answer soon! but there no punishment system is suggested.

Another question is, should we tolerate this FGITW behavior? If this would be real life you would be pissed off! Imagine: you are sending your car for repair to a car service station. One hour after repair you will get your car returned and have to pay certain amount of money. But right after you drove home you'll notice that the car has still some issues. You will send the car to the car service station again and again. Would you like to tolerate this? It also ends up in a repaired car, but it took long time for it.

This algorithm of course need to be transparent, no invisible line that are suddenly crossed. I could imagine something like a warning "If you edit this post within 5 minutes you are not eligible for reputation in the next 30 minutes" or so.

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