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Sep 11, 2015 at 19:15 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice No, you are not -- If you were, you wouldn't write one more post. But let's stop this, it is leading nowhere and I hope that if someone in the far future might actually some implementable feedback. In the meanwhile I can do nothing but leave the note away (which I'll try). Besides that I see no, absolutely no way how I can implement this and I suspect most commenters here also don't see any specific way... unfortunately.
Sep 11, 2015 at 14:10 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler you might not understand "I'm done"... but... I'm done.
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:54 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice How? How can I put some research in? My research is 100% in the answer, so how can I do that? Shall I just copy? Maybe you could give me a link to a Q&A question which you think is perfect? I have said numerous times now that your accusations are plain wrong and I'm sorry but without even an example (totally independent on OpenOCD) I can not see what should be edited
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:53 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler of the only experts about OpenOCD on this site, so we can't provide more. People are helping you to the best of their knowledge, and you just fight back, send snarky comments, answer "wrong wrong wrong" to everyone, and back up in a corner. Look, edit or don't, I don't care anymore. I've said what I had to say, Servy gave you similar tips, halfer gave you other tips, Alexei gave you other tips. Listen, or don't, I'm done repeating. It would indeed be a shame if your questions get closed because they look useful, but if you don't want to take any help and never edit, then too bad
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:50 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler so you realize on one hand you keep saying people knowing nothing about your issue are the ones closing, turning to the SAME PEOPLE for the specific technical thing you need. Dude, the ACTUAL solution is TO PUT SOME RESEARCH IN. It may make the question long, but so be it. that's what everyone's been saying. THAT's your specific help here : PUT SOME RESEARCH IN YOUR QUESTION. If you don't care for downvotes, don't put some research in, what do you want us to say? We give general because we can't give better, and you keep on pushing back. In a tag with 60 questions, you may be one
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:47 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice a) Wrong. Would I have no intention I would not have started this thread. b) Wrong. I had a conversation on another of my Q&A with him leading to me marking one of my own Q&As as a dupliate. c) Wrong. So far I have only received general advice that can not be implemented or I'm too dumb to realize how to do so (and yet no-one has given me a specific hint). I do not care about downvotes and if you don't care about actual solutions for real problems on SO, then I don't know what to say.
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:37 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler Then if you have NO INTENTION whatsoever to do ANY CHANGE to your question until someone edits it for you (because with all the tips that people CAN give you, you always push back), just don't edit it. In general, put SOME RESEARCH. Weirdly, Alexei Lenkenov gave you SPECIFIC tips... and you just ignore his comments. People giving you what you want, you ignore, and you fight back everyone else. Keep posting your Q&As, some will be closed, most will be DVed... but at this point, you know how to make it not so.
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:34 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice OK, I got that. How can I do that specifically? Am I supposed to copy the whole answer (if you would call that research) to the question? Really? Do I have to artifically create some hypothetical case where a hypothetical user has a hypothetical problem instead of a real user having a real problem? I think for someone finding the post on Google, this question, as-is is most useful and any change would be detrimental to the usefulness.
Sep 11, 2015 at 13:19 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler you realize that I don't, and no one needs expertise in ANY area to realize your question does not SHOW RESEARCH. The "too broad" point that was brought up might not be valid considering the tech involved, but the research point, you cannot defend with "well you guys don't know openOCD", since there is no research in the question (by your own admission). Just adding THAT would make a lot of the complaints about your question here moot
Sep 11, 2015 at 12:59 comment added Uli Köhler @halfer I agree that this is the problem. But I do not really understand why people try to jude question they don't understand, then. Thanks for the tip, however, it does not really help. I have asked this question before, while and after posting the question: The problem i wanted to solve is 100% what I wrote, and this problem is real. Therefore I do not see what can be improved. Sorry if this question is too technical for some people, but this is what you encounter in embedde systems....
Sep 11, 2015 at 8:09 comment added halfer If you want to improve your question on the main site, try asking yourself "What problem did I originally want to solve?", then re-writing the question together with the research you had at that point, and then finally adjust the answer so that any material that has flowed into the question is taken out.
Sep 11, 2015 at 8:09 comment added halfer @Uli: I don't mind the downvotes - here on Meta it just means that people disagreed with me, which is fine. I think you should consider the advice given as much as you can - it seems to be the overwhelming view here that questions should show research and effort. As you say, the reason why you are not getting specific advice relating to this question is probably because people here do not have the hardware/chip experience that you do.
Sep 11, 2015 at 0:52 comment added Uli Köhler @halfer Although this answer got many downvotes and the other got many upvotes, due to the lack of specific suggestion what can be objectively improved in my answer I do not see any other way than either doing it with the note or just leaving it off (which would certainly be preferable) and ignoring the downvotes. Besides that, I can only wait until someone feels free to finally not give generic yet unfortunately useless advice and actually tells me what specifically would make them accept the Q&A, ignoring the fact that their expertise is in another area...
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:38 comment added Uli Köhler @halfer Interesting point. I do not agree, however, because a 5-screen-page question would a) not help other users find a solution at all and b) would not really allow "adding alternative/improved answers" because they would not "oppose" or "compete to" the answer but to the question itself. I don't think this matches the Q&A scheme, if the only purpose is to artificially improve the answer. The main if not only purpose of me posting stuff to SO (or to my blog) is to help other people shortcut to the solution instead. IMO you're right about 'bad
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:33 comment added Uli Köhler @Servy OK, didn't really see that as a comment, but I guess you could define it as that. I do appreciate your efforts, but it does not help me much, because I have yet to see a method that I can apply to the aforementioned example to make better. Example: Remove that 'please give an answer valid for that entire STM32 family' sentence. too specific. There is a technical reason why this sentence is there, but maybe it is bad after all?
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:19 comment added Servy @UliKöhler Right in this meta question: I then started to add notes like, *Note*: This is a Q&A question and therefore intentionally does not show any research effort." You're explaining why it's okay for you to ask a bad question. You then somehow think that people should therefore not downvote the question despite it being a question that merits downvotes, by your own admission. I've given you lots of advice on how to improve your question. You have not responded to any of it other than to ask for even more information.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:18 comment added halfer @Uli: perhaps "bad" is the wrong word. What Servy is saying is that the existence of the message you add as an addendum illustrates that you understand the question lacks research (and as you say here, the research is in the answer). My view is that, possibly, the research in the answer can be moved to the question, which would then make it "researched"?
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:15 comment added Uli Köhler @Servy Where have I said that I edited comments in my post? I have tried once or twice adding this as a comment. Effect: None, as if I added nothing whatsoever. For me adding this remark to the question is only a method of preventing some IMO unjustified downvotes from happenin. And you are totally and utterly wrong: I do not realize that this is a bad question (as I have commented several times in this thread), but I challenge everyone to come up not only with conclusive evidence that it is bad, but especially a way to improve this question.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:11 comment added Uli Köhler @halfer Very good point in your latest edit. I'd actually like to confirm that this is (at least partially) the case. On my blog I post stuff which I consider to be too long for SO (more articles and explanations that simple Q&A stuff). Voluntarily or involuntarily, if "the community" (whatever you might define that to be) does not accept my answers because they don't like the questions, I'll post both on my blog.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:07 comment added Servy @UliKöhler Well, considering that you're saying that you're editing comments into your question to say that it's bad, but it's okay because you posted an answer, makes it pretty clear that you realize full well that it's not a good question, and that it doesn't stand on your own, so you don't need us to explain to you why your questions don't stand on their own.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:02 comment added Uli Köhler @Trobbins Why exactly doesn't it? I can assure you that I had this exact question months before I had found a partial answer. Yet I could not find it anywhere on the internet. When I had finally figured out the answer, I posted both on SO. It has happened before that some expert emerges from the dark and provides a better answer, making all our lives easier ;-)
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Sep 10, 2015 at 20:52 comment added CubeJockey @Uli your question should stand on its own merits, not that it's only posted so you may post your answer.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:48 comment added Uli Köhler @Trobbins Generally true, but AFAIK you don't see that in the review queues. When I added this remark, the downvote rate was significantly lower (might be statistically insignificant but these are my empirical results)
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:33 comment added halfer @Trobbins: I had forgotten about that. Nevertheless, I would not be opposed to a question answer removing it in a couple of days, if he or she feels this helps. (I am not sure it does, but it would be hard to prove either way).
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:19 comment added CubeJockey There's no need to include a "I'm writing an answer" message, since when submitting Q&A style, you write your answer at the same time as the question.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:13 history answered halfer CC BY-SA 3.0