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Sep 11, 2015 at 3:14 comment added Alexei Levenkov @UliKöhler - more generic advice: how to show research - presumable you ask question because first 2 search results on google/bing for terms you are looking for and 2 most likely links to product documentations did not produce result. I don't see adding couple links+ one-line explanation why it did not work to question as huge burden and it will clearly show your research. If such links (or search for title of the post) immediately give the answer - maybe it is really bad question...
Sep 11, 2015 at 0:57 comment added Uli Köhler So, maybe the differnence between many of you and me is that I (pretend to) understand something of the area the question is about, and many of you don't? I'm not sure if this is generalizable, but I think at least in this case this leads me to the conclusion that you can't really say too much about the question itself but only give generic advice that does not help me.
Sep 11, 2015 at 0:29 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice That being said, I am sorry to say that I have probably fallen into a huge trap and I was wrong about one quite important thing: Downvotes are not inherently a bad thing. While I think one should only vote (I don't vote on AppleScript stuff for example) on topics you have enough knowledge of, for me it pretty much does not matter if I have -1 or +125 votes on a question. What is very important to me, however, is that at any time someone without proper technical knowledge will come around and close & delete the question. It has happened before (not to me, yet).
Sep 11, 2015 at 0:25 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice OK. I guess you are right to some extent. But I don't think this is the issue here. You say that the question is too broad without knowing the technical details. Why? And you are (I think) expecting from me to do what seems impossible to me: To word a question to a (alledgedly) good answer so that you, who likely will never have the issue to think it is not too broad, well research etc. What else can I do beyond saying that I have not seen and do not see any issue with the question, considering that 2 weeks ago I had the question but not answer. [Part 2 follows]
Sep 11, 2015 at 0:17 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler dude, you ask for people who, you just said yourself, don't get the technical side of your question, to help you with... the technical side of your question. We cannot help you do this. We can help you by repeating (AGAIN) that saying "but the research is in my answer" is POINTLESS and not the way it works. You don't wanna see that point? Fine, there's no reason to keep arguing this. But as long as you keep posting poor-quality questions, they will get downvoted, whether you answer yourself or not.
Sep 10, 2015 at 23:37 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice Correct me if I'm wrong but from what you wrote I don't think you have the knowledge in this topic to decide that STM32 family is too broad. Indeed, if you read about it, you'll see quite clearly that the RDP protection is the same in every current STM32 product and only OpenOCD requires you to use stm32f1x or stm32f2x for a bunch of different families. That being said, I would be OK with removing this sentence, if anyone can conclusively tell me what the added value for a user or a potential answerer would be.
Sep 10, 2015 at 23:34 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice Part 2: As I already told someone else, I do not admit in any way or form that I did not put research into it. This is a blatant mis-quote. What I said is "This question intentionally does not show any research effort". Some versions of this note I added also contained the note "If you want to see the research effort, look at my answer". I challenge you to write about the same topic and do it better. Possibly I can learn from that. Until then, please refrain from mis-quoting me.
Sep 10, 2015 at 23:31 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice I could not disagree more. What do you expect? Do you actuall expect to write "How do I integrate RDP locking into my setup [1k lines OpenOCD config] with the exact ". Is than non-broad enough for you or do I also need to specify which keyboard layout I use?. Honestly: I post solutions to help people. And doing it like you suggest would not all help people. Just like BSMP (as I understood him in his first post): You are taking the quote out of context. Want to see research? look at my answer. If that's not good enough, write a better answer. [Part 2 follows]
Sep 10, 2015 at 22:59 comment added Patrice @UliKöhler "alleged quality issue"? there is no alleged one... as BSMP pointed out, not being of an okay quality and saying why you're not of an okay quality is NOT acceptable. You admit YOURSELF that you don't put in research in your question. Not a frequent user of the openocd tag, but in general, such a question in tags I visit would be closed as too broad, because that's how it reads currently... "how to do this" "how secure is this" and "write this for the whole STM32 family".... yeah, sounds like "too broad", "too broad" and "too broad", coupled with "you didn't really research"...
Sep 10, 2015 at 22:13 review Reopen votes
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Sep 10, 2015 at 21:55 comment added Uli Köhler @BoltClock Sorry, I totally miswrote the second question. I way referring to the close votes. Fixed now in the question. Now there are three close votes, one "too broad" and two "off topic external resource". I can't see even the slightest reasons why one of these reasons would apply. I am not asking for a library etc, but for an OpenOCD solution (i.e. a set of commands). This question is also quite specific and I think making it even more specific would only do harm. I 100% agree that downvotes do no harm. But close votes might do because the question might be closed and possible deleted.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:52 history edited Uli Köhler CC BY-SA 3.0
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Sep 10, 2015 at 21:49 comment added Uli Köhler @BSMP OK, I unstand what you mean now, and I agree. Actually this was halfers point in the original Q&A thread. It's just that, well, empirically speaking, it was helping to avoid downvotes. Maybe statistical noise. I will certainly try that. Thanks for the specific suggestion.
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Sep 10, 2015 at 21:47 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice OK, probably I agree, but now I have a (hopefully) clear, precise question. But not only that, I also have a clear, precise answer (but there might be better ones). So far I can see not a single way how to improve this specific question to solve the alledges quality issue. How can I be up to par with a long, complex answer? I think artificially making a page-long question just so it is similarly complex is inherently bad and does not help anyone (besides my reputation, which I don't care about that much).
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:35 comment added BSMP But for any other iteration of "I know this question is poor quality" the 'because' part never seems to matter. For example, "I'm a new coder", "I'm new to X language", "I'm in a hurry", "I don't know what terms to use to Google this", etc. all attract a pile of down votes. In any case, including your research effort (before you found the answer) in your question, instead of leaving it out, would help you avoid down votes.
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:24 comment added Uli Köhler @BSMP Yeah, but that's what I mean with out-of-context (might not be terminologically correct -- sorry, non-native speaker...). It wrote "... does not show research effort because ... Q&A ...". I think this is the important part. Just like "This question is not a duplicate because stuff". But I guess it you are right that this might attract more downvotes. We might need a psychologist to determine the reasons ;-)
Sep 10, 2015 at 21:04 review Close votes
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Sep 10, 2015 at 21:04 comment added Uli Köhler @Patrice Not sure if I understand what you meant, but I'm not seeing the connection between an ad personam upvote (?) and this. What is your specific suggestion? I'd like posting an answer without any question, but SO doesn't allow. Additionally, this would mean that other people could not answer with a better solution (which is, what). I can not see any specific reason why. IMO the question is quite clear, and if there are better answers, I can see not reason why this question would rule out any of them. Yes, the topic is quite niche, but that does not matter.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:59 comment added Uli Köhler @BoltClock Good point. I guess that's the only direct answer you can get to this ;-)
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:58 comment added BSMP you've taken this out of context - I think I was unclear. What I meant was, I don't understand why including a note that your question "intentionally does not show any research effort." would lead to fewer down votes when the down arrow on questions states, "This question does not show research effort...". I would have guessed that including that note would have led to more down votes, not fewer.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:55 comment added Patrice @Uli but we should never look at the poster, but at the post. And as such, your post, in itself, is not up to par. The fact that the answer contains this is NOT enough to justify such a question being sent up.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:54 comment added Servy @UliKöhler Which is exactly what they're supposed to be doing. When voting on the question you vote on the quality of the question, not the quality of the answers posted to it. It would be wrong of them to do anything else.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:50 comment added Uli Köhler @BSMP Don't know for sure either, but you've taken this out of context. The research effort is contained in the answer, which is IMO obvious. The reason for the missing downvotes is IMO that (some) people in the close review queue only really look at the questions superficially and don't see it's a Q&A question.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:47 comment added BSMP "intentionally does not show any research effort." - I don't understand why this worked.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:25 answer added Servy timeline score: 13
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:22 comment added Patrice I'm reading your latest Q&A and yeah... the question is not exactly up to quality standard. As TZHX points out, your question quality should be the same no matter who answers. In general, I try not to look at who posts what on the main site, so looking into your question, I would see it as a VERY thorough answer to a poorly-researched question
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:18 history edited Frédéric Hamidi CC BY-SA 3.0
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Sep 10, 2015 at 20:14 comment added BoltClock Mod The second question makes no sense. You can't close a question due to downvotes, unless the downvotes were cast for the same reason given by the close reason, in which case the downvotes aren't really "wrong".
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:13 answer added halfer timeline score: -15
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:08 comment added TZHX Self-Answering a question does not exempt it from the normal quality standards we hold questions to. The existence of answers should not matter to whether a question is closed, whether by the person who posted the question or anyone else.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:04 comment added BoltClock Mod "How can I deal with such downvotes?" You don't. When it comes to Q&As, someone will always be that guy. Life is unfair.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:04 comment added halfer My immediate response is that a good canonical Q&A will, in the long term, attract more upvotes than the one or two downvotes you might get immediately. I too am surprised at them, given they came after you'd posted your substantial answer, and it was very clear you were posting a helpful Q&A pair. However, we have long said on Meta that people may vote as they wish, and there is no requirement for people to explain their votes if they do not choose to.
Sep 10, 2015 at 20:00 history asked Uli Köhler CC BY-SA 3.0