Timeline for Coworker asking another coworker to vote all his questions and answers to gain points. What should I do?
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Jul 24, 2015 at 17:17 | comment | added | serv-inc | You made the list of meta's most downvoted answers: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackoverflow/query/36658/… | |
Jul 24, 2015 at 12:46 | comment | added | Richard Le Mesurier | I think its extremely likely to assume most of these people blindly downvoted this answer. @Cerbrus, that is how voting works on SO. Just ask the Jon Skeet fanclub | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 13:15 | comment | added | Cerbrus | I think it's extremely unreasonable to assume that many people didn't read the question / answer and just blindly downvoted this answer. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 13:12 | comment | added | musefan | @Cerbrus: But what if you have 'never seen it' because you don't recognize it when it happens? How can you be sure this isn't 140 downvotes 'just because'? I don't think it can be argued that there are plenty of people in this world that make decisions just to fit in with the crowd, would it really be so unreasonable to think that it could be the same with SO users? People have a need to be part of what is popular, and even though we don't know who these 'popular' people are because votes are anonymous, they still know they are part of it and sometimes thats enough for them | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:45 | comment | added | Cerbrus | I've never seen 140 "just because" downvotes. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:41 | comment | added | musefan | @Cerbrus: Lets just forget it, I concede that the pre-edit version wasn't as acceptable as this version. And because of that it's difficult to even guess why the downvotes exist... is it because people think it's a bad answer, or did they jump on with the people who downvoted the original version just 'cus. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:29 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @BoltClock Oh snap, that score will be hard to crack. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:28 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @musefan: "And one of the guys asked me long time ago to do the same thing for him when we were in the same team but I declined." I'm pretty sure the OP understood the intentions of his co-workers just fine. As I keep repeating: The question is about 2 people playing the system. "That's perfectly fine" is never a good answer. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:24 | comment | added | musefan | @Cerbrus: In what land would you expect any normal conversation to involve somebody saying "get points"? It is highly unlikely that was actually said. So we can assume OP is telling us his version of what was said, thus we cannot know for sure if OP hasn't misunderstood what was said. So the situation is 2 people may or may not be breaking the rules. This answer explains an instance where it wouldn't class as breaking the rules. Just like BoltClock is offerent an example of when it does break the rules (and takes that further to explain what to do in that case, which is good) | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 12:17 | comment | added | musefan | @BoltClock: Good point about the edit, I did miss that factor. I can accept downvotes based on that. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:36 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @musefan The question does say that it's about 2 guys playing the system. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:36 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @musefan: FWIW, the first 40 or so downvotes were when this answer did, in its original revision, stop at "fine". Can't speak for the other 80 but it's unlikely all 40 of the initial downvoters will care let alone reevaluate their votes. Also, that's the whole point - if you're voting based on the user, it's wrong, if you're voting based on quality, then presumably it doesn't matter to you whom you are voting for in the first place. The fact that the two coworkers in question are colluding with one another "to get points" suggests they're not above that. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:33 | comment | added | musefan | @Cerbrus: First off, this is a discussion, so I think it's ok to post answers that offer opinions. But the question doesn't explicitly say they are blindly voting each other, nor does it offer any proof (which lets be honest would be hard to provide). This answer is merely offering a situation where it might be acceptable to do so. The OP can consider this reason and they may decide actually, my co-workers are validating and quality checking all the posts before they vote. Point is, people are downvoting this answer because they don't agree that there is ever a valid situation to do it | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:32 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @inf: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274892/… | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:27 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @musefan: All of those downvotes are because this answer is totally missing the point of the question, which you seem to be missing, too. This question is about 2 people that know each other sharing the answers with the explicit intention to upvote each other to get more rep. This answer says that that is "okay", which it really isn't. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:24 | comment | added | musefan | oh and it's also funny that if you look at the comments for BoltClocks answer, (which everyone seems to love). BoltClock is basically agreeing with you by saying it's ok as long as the posts are reviewed on their quality, and not just upvoted based on the user. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:08 | comment | added | musefan | All these downvotes are just from users who lack the ability of logical thought. They stopped when they read "fine" with no consideration that you are limiting it to certain conditions. Then you probably have a lot of users that stopped reading when they read the number of downvotes and just downvoted based on that. Completely agree you should be able to get people you are know to review all your questions as long as they vote on normal voting standards. At no point have you said it is ok to blindly vote... which ironically is what all these downvotes seems to have done | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:05 | comment | added | Cerbrus | meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11017/… | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:04 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @Cerbrus Haha, who is leading in that list currently? | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 11:03 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @MinNaingOo: But then inf couldn't claim ownership of the most downvoted answer on SO, should it come to that. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 10:55 | comment | added | Min Naing Oo | @inf May be you should ask the community team to get your name removed? :D | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 10:20 | comment | added | user4756884 | @inf meta effect? | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 10:20 | comment | added | Cerbrus | You've gotten 2 downvotes over a timespan of about 30 minutes. I wouldn't worry about it too much. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 10:17 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @santiago Thanks, however I probably have to delete and put it to and end as people now start to revenge downvote me on SO proper. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 10:15 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @SantiBailors That's right. We should have done that in the beginning. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 9:39 | comment | added | user4756884 | -119 - that is, in a morbidly somewhat sad way, impressive... | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 9:28 | comment | added | SantiBailors | @inf it only says that they ask each other to vote on each other posts but not that they do it blindly Maybe it doesn't explicitly say they do it blindly and I agree that it would have been better if it did. However that was largely and very obviously implied. Explicitly specifying that would only have served the purpose of preventing people from pretending not to know that this is about blindly upvoting. Haven't you really even had the doubt ? If you didn't, I find that strange. If you did, I would have asked for that to be clarified instead of just assuming this wasn't about blind voting. | |
Jul 23, 2015 at 9:10 | comment | added | Gimby | @inf who needs comments, the title of this question is pretty self-explanatory ;) Congratulations on >100 downvotes. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 18:16 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | If you share on social media, votes would (theoretically) be indicative of usefulness (although perhaps that's usefulness in quantity more than quality, which is not ideal, but at least it's still usefulness). If you ask your friend to upvote all your stuff, he's more likely than not just going to upvote everything or things that look like they could be useful, but aren't actually / particularly useful. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 14:47 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | >implying Facebook likes are any more material than Stack Overflow rep | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 14:22 | comment | added | mahieddine | Stackoverflow is not facebook, what's the point of doing so ? do you feel comfortable with a fake score? | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:53 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | In the comments that I see, maybe some got deleted out of privacy reasons, it only says that they ask each other to vote on each other posts but not that they do it blindly. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:47 | comment | added | Cerbrus | And did you read the comments? How is it unclear that this question is about users playing the system? "Asking <...> vote all <...> to gain points" | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:38 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @Cerbrus Now you highlighted the "to gain points" not where it says that they don't evaluate what they read before upvoting. Gaining points is totally fine, that's what we have them for after all. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:34 | comment | added | Cerbrus | It's in the title of the question: "Coworker asking another coworker to vote all his questions and answers to gain points." | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:18 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @Cerbrus I don't see that anywhere in the question and I don't want to allege somebody of doing something without proven so I gave an alternative view point. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:14 | comment | added | Cerbrus | You're aware this question is about users playing the system by upvoting each other's posts, right? They don't care if their posts are low quality. They just upvote them because they're friends. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:12 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @Cerbrus If I would ask somebody to upvote my post I would of course assume that they read what they post and tell me if it's wrong. The same way if I shared my post and asked somebody for feedback I would expect him to upvote my post if it's ok. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 13:00 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Do you still not see the difference between asking people to just look at the post (And provide feedback) and explicitly asking someone to upvote the post? Sure, sharing will get you views, but views don't guarantee upvotes. A deal with a friend / colleague to upvote each other's posts on the other hand, is vote fraud. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 12:33 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @JohnSnow I fully understand and totally agree with you. I just think that you can not promote sharing on proper answers on the one side and disallow voting cycles on proper questions on the other side as both have the same effect of popularity voting instead of quality voting. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 11:49 | comment | added | Gemtastic | If it helps you understand why sharing your Q or A for upvotes is bad, then maybe it would help to remember that other people are gonna reference your Q and A. A newbie doesn't know if your answer is good or bad, likewise your question. When you popularity vote the quality drops and it affects people negatively when they reference SO. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 11:17 | history | edited | Stephan Dollberg | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 22, 2015 at 10:45 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @IMSoP That's a good point. I agree with that. However, I don't think that the voting is arbitrary if the answer has the required quality. I will add that last part to my answer. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 10:41 | comment | added | IMSoP | @inf You can share anyone's post, not just your own; and you can vote up, down, or ignore any post, whether it's written by your friend or not. And voting is not another form of sharing - which posts you've voted on isn't public information. So I don't really see the contradiction in encouraging sharing but discouraging arbitrary voting. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 10:35 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | The difference between social media followers and people who will upvote everything you share is that you don't usually have an agreement with your social media followers that they'll upvote everything you share or post regardless of its actual quality (unless your name is Justin Bieber maybe, and even then the "agreement" is mostly a one-sided affair). | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 10:24 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @IMSoP That's right, but as long as the share buttons are there I think that any other form of sharing shouldn't be penalised. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 10:19 | comment | added | IMSoP | @inf "I have a more pessimistic view on people's (voting) behaviour" Then perhaps the difference you've failed to grasp is between what you perceive as commonly happening, and what is considered a Good Thing. "That's perfectly fine" is a very different sentiment than "that's very common, but strongly discouraged". | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:59 | comment | added | Fahim Parkar | 32 downvotes in just 28 mins... time is running behind the downvotes... seeing this first time in life... | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:51 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Most users don't blindly upvote every single link they're fed. In fact, I've seen plenty of shared links backfire, when shared with reasonably experienced SO users. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:50 | comment | added | Tom | @DavidG Well, this Meta Question was also linked in SO, so more people will notice this question and these answers. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @DavidG People must have shared it with their coworkers to downvote it :D | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | @Cerbrus I see the difference. Still, I have a more pessimistic view on people's (voting) behaviour. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 | comment | added | DavidG | Almost 30 downvotes in less than 20 minutes, impressive! | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:45 | comment | added | T.J. Crowder | "Of course, that's the whole point of social media." I disagree with your answer, but that comment made me laugh. :-) Excellent commentary on social media. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:42 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Frankly, it's disappointing that someone with 10k rep doesn't see the difference. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:42 | comment | added | biziclop | ...and anyone who shares his/her own question with the sole intention of getting upvotes (as opposed to getting answers, which would be the whole point of asking questions) deserves neither. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:40 | comment | added | biziclop | The difference is that Facebook likes aren't supposed to indicate quality (in fact quite often they indicate the opposite, that what you see is base, lowest common denominator stuff), whereas SO votes are. That you get reputation as a result is secondary, the most important thing is that the higher quality questions are voted up. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:37 | comment | added | Cerbrus | SO isn't Facebook. SO is a Q/A site with as main goal to provide quality questions / answers. Sharing with the sole intention of getting "likes" is no more than vote fraud. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:37 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | Of course, that's the whole point of social media. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:36 | comment | added | Cerbrus | "Hey buddy, look at this, what do you think?" is the same as "Please upvote this!"? I don't think so. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:35 | comment | added | Stephan Dollberg | Sharing is asking for upvotes. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:33 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Sharing is fine. Asking for upvotes on every single answer / question you post, however, isn't. | |
Jul 22, 2015 at 9:29 | history | answered | Stephan Dollberg | CC BY-SA 3.0 |