Timeline for Penalty for answering help-vampire questions? Or reward closure?
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Jul 18, 2015 at 9:02 | comment | added | Sobrique | Actually I think there is a pretty big difference. A newbie asking a newbie question is quite different from someone who shows up with a task spec and wanting someone to do it for them. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 18:27 | comment | added | Kevin B | An example of such a community from my previous comment is nodeschool. It's a self-help learning tool that challenges new developers to work through scenarios that build their node.js skillset and introduces them into new ideas and ways of looking at problems and solving problems. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 18:14 | comment | added | jscs | @DLH: It's a often fine discerment to make, judging whether an asker is helpable within the goals and bounds of this format, especially viewing just one question at a time. If you err a little on the side of "overly helpful" I don't think you'll do any harm; others of us will err on the opposite side, and we'll meet in the middle. Thanks for your consideration of the site as a whole. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 18:12 | comment | added | jscs | Yeah, I was suggesting it as something DLH could pass on to eir students or others e knows personally, @PhatWrat. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 18:09 | comment | added | David | @Josh Caswell the "SO question checklist" you posted is fantastic, but I doubt most new users are going to find it before posting their question. ...unless SO made it so that very low rep users (say, under 25) had to check off each point to say that they did each one before their question was actually posted. ... hmmm--I kind of like that idea. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 17:53 | comment | added | Anubian Noob | I liket the idea of a resources for beginners page. If you post a low quality question as a new user, it might link you to that? | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 16:53 | comment | added | Kevin B | I completely agree with this answer, however, I can't think of a way of making beginners feel more welcome without dropping the quality threshold. We cannot just allow low quality questions to exist, and giving them answers just re-enforces them to create more low quality questions. Could we possibly come up with some kind of... resources for beginners page to nudge users who post "low quality questions" toward the resources they need to improve their skills outside of stackoverflow? Some kind of other community tailored toward newbie programmers, possibly hosted by some form of school? | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 15:10 | comment | added | nhahtdh | The first thing they need is to learn how to learn. They must learn how to RTFM, do research and try things out themselves first before asking for help from others. Guiding people is ineffective at the scale of SO. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 15:01 | comment | added | DLH | @I4mpi, you are absolutely right that beginners would be better served elsewhere. But the reality is that as long as search engine results are dominated by SO, they will arrive here in droves. So what experience do we want them to have when they arrive? Might it be constructive to helpfully suggest appropriate sites for beginners on a page shown to new question posters, at least if the tags include topics such as JavaScript, css, etc.? Mentoring clueless kids may not be SO's mission, but isn't it worth some effort to give them something less discouraging than a quickly closed question? | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 10:29 | comment | added | l4mpi | "What fraction of the poor questions are written by kids with highly immature skills as opposed to genuinely lazy people?" - I don't know either, but I don't care. SO is a site for professional and enthusiast programmers; it's not a tutorial or mentoring site. There are tons of resources for beginners which they should explore before asking on SO. We expect people to have a minimum amount of knowledge about the basics of programming before asking a question here. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 10:25 | comment | added | Hans Passant | SO is a pretty good place for your students, but only after you finished your job. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 6:10 | comment | added | DLH | As I ponder more, I feel torn. I've found solutions to dozens of issues on SO over the years (just reading existing posts), and I felt I should give back by answering questions myself. Maybe it's the teacher in me, but helping well-intentioned but unskilled people feeds me more than it drains me. They don't seem like "vampires." However, I want to be a good SO citizen, and if answering their questions really harms the site as a whole, then I would be willing to respect the SO community and stop. I guess I'm still learning the SO culture and will give your concerns serious thought. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 3:15 | comment | added | jscs | See also the Stack Overflow question checklist as a resource for these beginners. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 3:13 | comment | added | jscs | Stack Overflow isn't a mentoring site. This has been gone over many times. Stack Overflow needs mentors The many shades of newbie-ness How to encourage newbie programmers without enabling "hold my hand" comment streams? The FAQ What is the proper way to approach so as someone totally new to programming? is also good reading. | |
Jul 16, 2015 at 1:53 | history | answered | DLH | CC BY-SA 3.0 |