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Jul 3, 2015 at 22:21 | comment | added | Phantômaxx |
if they put up a rainbow flag with an X through it, what would your stance be then? No one is harmed in either case I think that gay people would feel offended. Isn't it somehow harming them? Keep in mind that they are more sensible than us.
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Jul 3, 2015 at 21:13 | comment | added | vol7ron | @DerGolem how we feel about something is totally separate from what's appropriate. There are people that it affects and there are people that don't approve. These types of social conflicts happen often in the U.S., which is why it's important to not take a side, but to deter that kind of behavior. But I acknowledge the fact that you are happy, so you see no wrong in it. Let me ask, if there are new owners tomorrow and the ruling is reversed; if they put up a rainbow flag with an X through it, what would your stance be then? No one is harmed in either case - it's a logo. | |
Jul 3, 2015 at 20:58 | comment | added | Phantômaxx |
@vol7ron I was just happy of the logo change, since I'm in favour (I don't know in which language to say it, really). Since it harmed nobody (not even the suicidal lemmings!), why do you complain ?
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Jul 3, 2015 at 20:14 | comment | added | vol7ron | @DerGolem it lasted longer than just the weekend, but let me understand your comment. You think what happened is insignificant and what irritates you is how people reacted to what happened? You want to have a say in how people spend their time and how they should think? Interesting. I can't speak for everyone but I have no problem with someone demonstrating their support on their Twitter feed, at their house, on the news; but here there was one logo change (only on SO) on a site that is about programming. It would make sense if the site was social-studies.stackexchange.com, but it's not. | |
Jul 3, 2015 at 20:04 | comment | added | vol7ron | @OurManInBananas does the site help you, or is it the people that answer the questions (the community) that helps you? | |
Jul 3, 2015 at 20:02 | comment | added | Our Man in Bananas | I only wish I hadn't completely missed the new logo even though I am on the site several times a day, every day! Now let me add that to me it's inconsequential...a couple of days, it's not a Nazi Swastika, it's not a hammer and sickle or a confederate flag (Topical huh?) and the site is privately owned, but helps me regularly... | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 | answer | added | Emanuele Ciriachi | timeline score: 6 | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 10:39 | comment | added | Phantômaxx | Too much noise, for an icon temporary change... It's only been a nice demostration of approvement. And it lasted a week-end only. And it wasn't invasive. And the SO owners are free to do whatever they want, after all. So, as I said, too much noise. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 5:25 | answer | added | intcreator | timeline score: 9 | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 8:25 | answer | added | Tadeusz Kopec for Ukraine | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 5:58 | answer | added | Benjol | timeline score: 39 | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 0:19 | comment | added | cameronjonesweb | I certainly feel the title is much more out of place than the logo. Shall I marry my dog? I love them. Shall I marry my child? I love them also. The whole "Love is love" argument is extremely flimsy. Love can also be incestual, pedofilic or bestialitic | |
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Jun 28, 2015 at 23:05 | comment | added | vol7ron | I'm re-reading these comments, most of which were in the wee hours of the morning. I would like to say, it feels like we (as a group) covered many different aspects, viewpoints, and clarifying questions. It's one of those topics where no one has been too much of a troll, or said anything unreasonable; basically, a logical conversation that I wouldn't have minded with the TV off, over a beer. For that, we can thank Stack Exchange. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 19:35 | answer | added | Vector | timeline score: 27 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 17:19 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Pekka웃 what does being black have to do with programming? Yes - I'd have a problem with this logo changing in that case. If we encountered World Peace and had a day to celebrate, I'd have an issue with SO changing its logo. However, if you want to celebrate or recognize something controversial that relates to programming, like Alan Turing's death, then fine. I might not agree with it, but at least it's related to the subject. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 15:05 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, My point aligns with the point of the OP's question. The point is that in the near future we can look forward to more social issues regarding "equality" and laws that enhances it, along with people on the site with starkly differing social viewpoints. The OP's question is asking should these events be celebrated in the future? Dismissing his question as "because of a rainbow flag", or "unlikely to happen" is missing the crux the issue. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:59 | answer | added | user50049 | timeline score: 38 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:44 | comment | added | Pekka | @Pacerier all valid points, but all hardly relevant to what we're discussing. It was still a turning point perceived as a liberation, a newly gained right that the state had so far wrongly withheld from them. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:36 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, 1865? Not even close. Blacks are still being oppressed today and right now. While it may neither be offensive, hilarious, nor intelligent, you may want to look at quora.com/Why-do-some-black-people-disapprove-of-gay-people/… for more info. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:08 | comment | added | Pekka | @Pacerier if the CEO of the site were black, and we were living in 1865, would you begrudge his celebrating the passing of the 13th amendment? That seems like a more apt comparison than the banning of a word. (About that, by the way and off topic, if you like offensive but hilarious and intelligent comedy, check out this South Park episode.) | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:03 | comment | added | Pacerier | ..................................................................................................................................The OP is not advocating that decisions should be made only when exactly zero people gets offended. OP's question is simple, 1. Is it professional? Should it have been done? 2. In the future should we do it? For example, should we celebrate it's anniversary every year? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:02 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, How likely was cryptography to be considered military equipment under U.S. law before WWII? Hindsight will always be 20/20, are you sure the points I raised are not likely? Point #2 is likely to be celebrated if Joel has strong views on that subject. Point #3 is definitely likely to be celebrated if Joel was black or has strong ties with one. Indeed the kind of oppression black people face is way beyond what lgbt can imagine.................................................................................... | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:39 | answer | added | Pekka | timeline score: 16 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:25 | comment | added | Pekka | @Pacerier nonsense. None of your hypotethical examples is likely to be celebrated here in the same one as this one was, and you know it. Also, if people are going to walk away from SO because the rainbow flag, or the SC decision, or gayness offend their sensibilities, then there's little we can do about it. If you make every one of your decisions depend on no one getting offended, you will very quickly find you can do nothing at all. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:20 | answer | added | Robusto | timeline score: 13 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:14 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, IMO it's reasonable to expect tolerance for the 5 issues I mentioned above. As you've mentioned, they are by definition not actual disruptions if you don't choose to view them as such. On the other hand, you also stated that these issues while being non-disruptive "might even get me to stop participating in Stack Exchange because I'd realize the people running it have views completely incompatible with mine". I sense internal conflict of viewpoints due to lack of coherence and consistency. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:56 | answer | added | Ben | timeline score: 28 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:36 | comment | added | Pekka | @Pacerier not really - it is not an actual disruption if you don't choose to view it as one, IMO. It's reasonable to expect tolerance for it even by those who disagree with the SC decision (yes, I know there are perfectly legitimate reasons for that) or with celebrating it, or with gay marriage. It is obviously not making a statement about any of its users and their gayness or their position on gay rights. It is not actively soliciting support for a social cause. It really is a nonissue. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:34 | comment | added | Pekka | @rghome that there are some regrettable and outrageous examples of people with "incorrect" views becoming subject to mob justice doesn't make the cause unworthy, and doesn't have anything to do with celebrating a Supreme Court decision. Gay folks have been lambasted and hounded, lost their jobs, and worse, for decades, if not centuries. There are still countries where homosexuality can be a death sentence. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:32 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, I'd think we both agree then that it's good to avoid this disruption, as mentioned by vol7ron. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:29 | comment | added | Pekka | @Pacerier I don't think those are great examples, but to humour them anyway: I would be glad about some, dismayed about others. Some of them might even get me to stop participating in Stack Exchange because I'd realize the people running it have views completely incompatible with mine. Now what? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:26 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, Ray Rice beating girlfriend is a bit extreme... I don't think anyone would be supportive of him except maybe his family members. What if the banner now reads, 1) "Osama has been hanged, let's celebrate"? or 2) "export of cryptography from the U.S. is now allowed/banned, let's celebrate"? or 3) "referring to a black as nigger is now banned/allowed, let's celebrate"? or 4) "nazi literature have been burned/preserved, let's celebrate"? or 5) "killing animals for food is now banned/allowed, let's celebrate"? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 11:47 | comment | added | rghome | I am in general in favour of people being allowed to do what they want with their private businesses. It is their property, and therefore theirs to do with as they wish. Is it appropriate? Maybe, maybe not (depends on how long it is there), but people can always leave. The problem is that the other side of the coin is not respected. People with even moderately opposing beliefs to this don't enjoy the same freedom. They are generally lambasted and hounded and in some cases have lost their jobs. So I find it rather distasteful in that respect. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 10:30 | comment | added | Tim | @DeerHunter Nonsense, there was a steady trickle of 5 up 1 down all evening, I was watching it. It now sits at -150 +500 ish. There are a large number of votes still going on the for and against answers. It was not locked prematurely, the change had been made. I'd also like to say that it was the people objecting to it that caused it to be locked. It was closed and reopened 2 times, and at the point of locking it had 3 close votes. What for? "Not being about Stack Overflow of all things"... | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 9:50 | comment | added | Pekka | Re my dismissing it as "just a flag", Bart puts it perfectly in the answer below, much better than I thought to. It's not a call to action for a social cause, which would be problematic no matter how good the cause. It's just a symbol of celebration. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 9:32 | answer | added | Bart | timeline score: 84 | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 9:00 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Bart it probably won't get any answers now, but a big point is it shouldn't be closed in the first place. I'm fine with the negative votes, but I think people are being naive or short-sighted. It's easy to be blinded by emotion, but I would like to appeal to logic and reason. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:48 | comment | added | Bart | This is getting to a point where I'd suggest someone post an actual answer. All these comments aren't going to achieve anything. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:47 | comment | added | user3125367 | @random You miss two points, imho: despite the site is private, we are still clients and we generate profit, not soneone else. It is unprofessional and unrespectful to make decisions like that "oh, I'm <xyz> too, just put it on front" without careful social research. Second, you have to look for specific european brands at your home — a big chances you supported an earlier-nazi or nazi-friendly company (a lots of them popular brands now). Not that it all very serious, but... :) | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:32 | history | rollback | jonrsharpe |
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Jun 28, 2015 at 8:26 | comment | added | user3125367 | @Tim I'm not actually making a big problem out of it. But there are people that still not understand nor care — and we were surprised it has to be on main page, that's it. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 6:58 | comment | added | vol7ron | meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298007/… | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 6:54 | comment | added | Pekka |
What if they changed it to a picture of Ray Rice beating his girlfriend? then I re-evaluate, at that point, whether I want to be a part of these sites or not.
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Jun 28, 2015 at 5:27 | comment | added | random | Fully in support of human trafficking as a slippery slope for arguments | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:21 | comment | added | vol7ron | As a user, I'm curious what your reaction will be when it's something you disagree with. What if they changed it to a picture of Ray Rice beating his girlfriend? What if they changed it to a girl being human-trafficed? Again, my stance is indifferent to the actual ruling, my question transcends the ruling and is more about the decision that went into the site, but what happens when it is something I don't agree with? I rather know now and be able to discuss this with the owners/managers now. This site is partially a reflection of me. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:17 | comment | added | vol7ron | @random do you have a hard time reading? You're repeating the same thing, which everyone knows. I suspect you're being argumentative for the sake of arguing. The OP on this page deals with, should they be doing this? Not what they did or what anyone believes. It's a meta question about Stack Overflow. Should it be done? It's simple. It hasn't been asked before. -- Is this a policy that the creators should be doing. It's similar to a public relations mindset. "We know we can do this, we have the power to do this, but should we be doing this?" This question shouldn't be closed | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:12 | comment | added | random | They've chosen to direct their support behind the ruling. You've chosen to direct your attention on their support behind the ruling. A logo is not a question and does not fall under any kind of topicness or scope about quality of questions | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:06 | comment | added | vol7ron |
@BSMP Because now a certain group of people feel alienated - Is this supposed to be irony? No. Are you under the impressions that all users of this service are from the U.S.? There are people that feel alienated for different reasons. I would think that the homosexual community leaders of SO would take this opportunity to not alienate anyone. In doing so, it's another form of hypocrisy.
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Jun 28, 2015 at 4:03 | comment | added | BSMP | Because now a certain group of people feel alienated - Is this supposed to be irony? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:01 | comment | added | vol7ron | @random I fail to see where or how I direct my attention is of any significance to Stack Overflow. SO has rules specific to staying on-topic. It punishes users and closes/deletes questions that go off-topic. Github, Twitter, Facebook don't have topic-related restrictions. I consider SO to be that much more professional for having these rules and staying out of sociopolitical events; but yes, when I see something where others are being hypocrites, I certainly contribute my time and voice. However, I prefer to stay focused on the subject of SO/SE, since that is where we're at right now | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:56 | comment | added | BSMP | but are we going to change logo to pink on AIDS day - @HaveNoDisplayName - Red. The ribbon color for HIV/AIDS awareness is red, not pink. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:54 | comment | added | random | Have you asked this of other services you use or have accounts on? GitHub, YouTube, Twitter, they're in support, do you ask the same of them for the user contributions to be open to similar policy movements? But yes, fully in support of SO, SE, whatever, shutting down spurious comments and discussions they've already settled, especially when the users keep trotting out how SE are akin to Nazis | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:39 | comment | added | vol7ron | @JeremyBanks that makes sense, but I would think if the reason for closing has changed, then you would be able to vote to reopen again. Sometimes there's no point in reopening, a person concedes the question is off-base; but other times, someone that closed maybe wasn't paying full attention, or didn't completely understand the content. So it's important to show there's a desire to reopen. If a person can't choose to reopen based on different closure reasons, it comes down to who has the bigger support net of people for or against. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:34 | comment | added | Jeremy Banks Mod | Just FYI: your inability to vote to reopen again is not a bug. You only to get vote to reopen a question once. You don't get to vote again if it's later reopened and reclosed, or if your vote expires. This is to prevent the same 10 people from repeatedly closing and reopening a question forever. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:28 | comment | added | vol7ron | They didn't listen or reply. Someone asked a question to show support, someone said, "hey that affects me, i like that" and does it. Someone else freezes the page from any further comment. Anyone new coming along cannot be listened to because they can't participate — the question was frozen and the users are being silenced in any follow-up questions. @random be very careful in how you phrase your response because it seems like you encourage this behavior. BTW, I don't seen anyone saying that. If you believe that, then I encourage you to re-read this chain of comments from top to bottom | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:20 | comment | added | random | They listened. They replied. That you don't agree with their response doesn't mean that there is now a need for an inquest, royal commission or some other "they must respond to our allegations and demands post haste" type of court | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:15 | comment | added | vol7ron | @random I don't think anyone thinks it's not a privately-owned site, or that it's some open source project. I keep seeing this. Yes it's privately owned. It's privately owned. It's privately owned. Understood. The owner can trash it all, turn it pink, turn it into porn. I fail to see the fact that it's privately owned as a reason not to listen to its users/customers, especially when they are essentially the business. The generated content and page views come from the users. The value is in the user base. Why wouldn't you want to at least consider their opinion? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 2:58 | comment | added | random | It's a privately owned site, they don't need to answer to users who want to oust its board of directors at some annual general meeting | |
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Jun 28, 2015 at 1:20 | comment | added | mip | And of course I am not comparing homosexuals to nazis. I have nothing against homosexuals. Against LGBT political movement - yes. Example is extreme to show the point. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 1:17 | comment | added | vol7ron | I understand what Doc is saying, but that is not the original meaning of the question I asked, but I think meta should have an area where it could be discussed and pursued in more detail. However, it seems the community and admins want to close anything that differentiates from themselves or the creators interests, even if it might benefit the site and the wellbeing of its members. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 1:14 | comment | added | vol7ron | It's a bit extreme to compare homosexuals to nazis, but I think @doc's analogy is that imagine you're already on the plane and don't care if the pilot was a Nazi or not, but then when you look out the window you see the symbols flying. I think his analogy is he is already on this SO plane and while he can get off, it'd be a big hassle. There's Paparazzi taking pictures when you land and the one "screenshot" with your profile and that brand can affect your work, career, or livelihood in certain countries. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 1:12 | comment | added | mip | @random O.K. for more precise analogy - owner is painting the plane with nazi symbols while you are already flying, having no idea about his views. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 1:06 | comment | added | random | Why would you buy a ticket if you already knew the owner was a nazi? Why would you then get on the plane with the symbols on there? @doc | |
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Jun 28, 2015 at 0:51 | comment | added | mip | Yeah they can do what they want, but it's a bit arrogant toward users who don't identify themselves with LGBT movement. Imagine you bought a ticket for an airplane and airline owner is a nazi and paints a plane with nazi symbols, so you look like nazi when entering and leaving the plane. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 0:32 | comment | added | Deer Hunter | @Tim - Votes on a locked question aren't necessarily indicative of the overall opinion split. Early voters are more likely to be supporters. The question was locked prematurely. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 23:05 | comment | added | Tim | @user3125367 No, how are we forcing anyone / persuading anyone to be gay? We're celebrating what has happened, and it's not hurting anyone. And also, guys, SE is a dictatorship not a democracy. They can do what they want with the site btw. Especially if 78.96% (80%) of the votes are for it - this is the feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297859/… | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 22:36 | history | closed | Martijn PietersMod | Duplicate of What is the policy for Stack Overflow and political matters, such as the logo color change? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 20:14 | comment | added | Pacerier | @Pekka웃, The question is asking whether non-tech sociopolitical issues are appropriate here. It's speaking out to ask if we should start cheering for the left-wing, cheering for the right-wing, or whether should we just keep ourselves out of non-tech sociopolitical issues. It's not about the rainbows. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:35 | comment | added | vol7ron | @random the topic is about the logo on stackoverflow.com not meta.stackoverflow.com — curious why meta was not changed; it would at least be a little more appropriate there than on www. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:34 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Bart The "seriously?" suggests it's silly that people would have a problem with it and it is disregarding their feeling towards the decision - mind you, the rainbow flag isn't the issue, it's the principle that the rainbow flag could be anything - you both are failing to see the issue. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:28 | comment | added | random | What browser are you using? It shows up fine on Opera, Firefox and Chrome on Vista | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:28 | comment | added | Bart | That statement does no signify he finds it silly or unimportant. Rather that the fuss that is being made over it seems somewhat out of whack given the short timespan that the logo change will be active for an occasion as momentous as this one. | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 19:14 | comment | added | vol7ron |
Finally, to the one ignorant question… All this because of... a rainbow flag in the logo? That is set to be there for two days? seriously? if that's how you feel, if it's not important or this is silly, then I guess you're in support to take it down because silliness would be fighting against something you don't care about. Obviously it's important enough to someone to put it up and it's important to other people that feel it should come down for various reasons; some have merit. My initial question stands does Stack Overflow want to become politically active, despite the hypocrisy
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Jun 27, 2015 at 19:04 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Pekka웃 I am done with this prolonged discussion. How the site was five years ago or 1 week ago is insignificant. The issue has already been presented, whether you acknowledge it or not. Every decision is not the same and I have not yet seen this particular discussion on SO/SE yet, regardless if the company is privately-owned and operated, or not. There are license agreements and debates taking place and that is why this question is important, to answer these outstanding questions; no matter the stance. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:58 | comment | added | Pekka | "Decisive choices that have been enacted" - you're acting as if every site change over the past five years had been made after extensive consultation with the community, and careful gauging of all its doubts and sensibilities. Nothing could be further from the truth. The site is a private property and has always been shaped by unilateral decisions on the part of SE, occasionally taking feedback from the community into account. And how you make the leap from "gay site owner puts flag in logo" to all these vague sinister machinations "until one of its creators wants something" still escapes me. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:53 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Pekka웃 1) I don't think I can say it enough, but how many ways must I say this? - it's not about the flag, it's about the decisive choices that have been enacted and what little control/voice you have as a participating member of this site. 2) If you think the posts you make and the data you see is all there is, you are sorely mistaken. I don't want to question your expertise as a web developer or systems engineer, but I challenge you to think what other information might be contained or ascertained and how having someone's identity can be abused. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:46 | comment | added | Pekka |
SE has so much information about you really? How much of it is actually data that isn't already public? Pathetically little. If you, at some point, find that SE has gone somehow evil, you are free to take their entire data dump, which is licensed to the public, for free, and start a competing service. Yes, you have to acknowledge SO and link to them but the knowledge can all survive without SE the company. That level of transparency is so many light years away from Google or Facebook, it's hard to put in words.
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Jun 27, 2015 at 18:45 | comment | added | Pekka | All this because of... a rainbow flag in the logo? That is set to be there for two days? seriously? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:57 | comment | added | vol7ron | No, those are features; this is a fundamental philosophy. This particular social issue doesn't really affect me - I'm happy for everyone it benefited - but what happens when it's a social issue I don't agree with? I've promoted SO so much. StackExch was built with the community in mind, until one of its creators wants something. That doesn't scare you? SE has so much information about you; at least Google and Facebook have some checks and balances within their organization - this seems like Stack Exchange doesn't when it ultimately does whatever the creator wants. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:50 | comment | added | Pekka | There's a lot of things about SO that would make a valid call to competition - the extremely narrow scope, the deletionism - but a gay flag is hardly one of them. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:48 | comment | added | vol7ron | @Pekka웃 you're probably right; we're all moving to a point in time where everyone has short attention spans and the need for instant gratification. Still, developers love to be challenged and to create something "new". So I could also see this as a call for competition; it aligns people and that sometimes has a synergistic affect to give new causes momentum and sustainability. It all depends on which people care and how much they care. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:46 | comment | added | Pekka | Prediction: none of this is actually going to happen. The community has seen much more dramatic rifts - actually substantial ones - over site policies. The place is still doing well and will continue to do so regardless whether there was a rainbow in the logo for two days. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:43 | comment | added | vol7ron | What's happening is a segregation of the supporters of the site. What is transpiring is people are starting to contemplate their contribution to the site. That is the exact reason you don't get involved in political issues. Why? Because now a certain group of people feel alienated and that usually results in disambiguation from Stack Exchange, then law suits, then new competition (alternatives). This is the exact thing I would like to avoid - I enjoy the community (users and creators) as they are and would like to avoid this disruption. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:39 | comment | added | random | meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/270123/… meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297919/… | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 17:14 | comment | added | TLama | area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72607/lgbt | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:09 | comment | added | vol7ron | @user3125367 lgbt.stackexchange.com would not be a bad idea. Again, I don't really care how someone chooses to live their life; but whether it's a pro-penguin group, KKK, PETA, or some Global Warming interests group - what we perceive as good or bad - it shouldn't have a place for coding/programming. SOPA and PIPA, maybe; Dennis Ritchie's death, yes. Michael Vick's dog fighting - no. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:03 | comment | added | vol7ron | @BradLarson That question is a little closer to a duplicate as mine, but still not close enough. It's better in that it's more objective as "What is the policy?"; however, my question is still "should it be the policy?" Another question is "What determines the policy?" Apparently if something gets enough votes from the "community" (because let's be honest, it's not the whole community that saw or voted for that answer), then it goes directly into action? Any motivated group can get users to come in and vote something up. The creators bias are showing, but this site should be free from bias | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:57 | comment | added | user3125367 | @vol7ron I hear you. In chase of wide acceptance of gays they saturate the patience (oh, tolerance) of really neutral people. It's like yelling "save the nature", "stop aborts" or "go vegan" in library or museum. I never hated or abused people I can't understand, nor planned it, and that's what I get back. Why not just spawn gay.stackexchange.com? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:54 | comment | added | Brad Larson Mod | See also: "What is the policy for Stack Overflow and political matters, such as the logo color change?" , which covers your question more directly. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:50 | comment | added | vol7ron | No… the question hasn't been asked there. The question asked there was a plea for someone to display it for a few days and the answer was that they would. My question applies directly to the philosophical foundations of the site, "should it be displayed?" and it is a much more important question. This question should be reopened. | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 16:46 | comment | added | vol7ron | So because @Joels Spolsky has a particular emotional ties to it and he is a creator, he's going to do what he wants. It's not about being neutral on social issues; it's about an issue being off-topic to Stack Overflows content. It is entirely hypocritical and bigoted. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:42 | comment | added | nobalG | In support to you meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297886/681929 | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:42 | comment | added | vol7ron | It's a site about programming. Set up a site about politics or the law, or gay marriage, if you want to change it; it doesn't apply to Stack Overflow. The internet privacy issue (SOPA) may apply. Programming-related news may apply. Gay rights is not programming-related. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:41 | history | closed | Martijn PietersMod | Duplicate of Can Stack Overflow and Meta's logos be changed temporarily to the "#LoveOverflows" logo? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:40 | comment | added | HaveNoDisplayName | I am not against it? but are we going to change logo to pink on AIDS day, black on terrorist attacks, white for peace or etc? | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 16:39 | comment | added | Makoto | You know why the banner changed though, right? | |
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