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Jun 29, 2015 at 15:12 comment added LarsH SO has taken pride in the fact that the it's all about the participants: the askers and answerers are the ones who drive the site, give it direction, and make it successful. The decision to change the logo to reflect a contentious political position gives lie to that claim. The logo represents SO and SO claims to represent me, a participant. But at present, it's misrepresenting me.
Jun 29, 2015 at 14:13 comment added Matias @gkon exactly because not everybody will like this is why they should do it, if you are not in favor of this then I would rather to not see you on any of the sites of stackoverflow, props to these guys for caring more about love than a few more users on their site!
Jun 29, 2015 at 12:58 comment added gkonuralp Agree, it's really irrelevant. And agree or not. Not everybody will like this.
Jun 29, 2015 at 12:22 comment added SigTerm @BobHorn: "I think people need to relax." Dude, the gay marriage thing was over the internet for the past 2 years or so. So now the law has passed, it is time to let it go. It is a fundamental right, so if anything you guys should be deeply ashamed it took so long to grant it. The law should've been created century ago. Besides, there are non-american users, so USA political shenanigans have nothing to do with them, don't you think? Not to mention that it has no connection whatsoever to programming.
Jun 29, 2015 at 9:14 comment added Szymon Toda Yeah, it's not a matter do you agree or not; it's just not a place to state such things so please go spread your love somewhere else.
Jun 29, 2015 at 8:46 comment added chiapa FactorMystic, I understand your point of view, this shouldn't be used for supporting/fighting political issues. However, the logo change is a light way of showing some support. "Why support this particular cause and not others?". Imagine this news headline: "ACME donates 10000$ to Social Org. X": would you say "why donate to Social Org. X and not others?". My point is, you can't show support/be against/help everything. Even people who live to help others will only be able to reach a small percentage of the world, so this seems, in the end, positive as it is ultimately supporting tolerance
Jun 29, 2015 at 6:42 comment added asgs @Alex by changing the website (even if it's a logo) you visit often for other purposes, you're indirectly infusing something into someone who doesn't "need" it. What we are all saying is changing logo for matters irrelevent to this site is not appreciable. There are things like Google's Doodle which can express the joy and happiness on this judgment. Hope you got this point. Otherwise, I'm sorry if I hurt someone's feelings.
Jun 28, 2015 at 18:20 comment added Toothbrush @Kyralessa I totally agree with you; the world in general is turning a completely blind eye to what ISIS is doing, and that needs to change.
Jun 28, 2015 at 17:47 comment added Claudiu Creanga @BobHorn SO, although saying they represent an international community proves that it represents only the USA. Every exception that is made on SO policy relates to some social progress made inside USA. This is why I don't agree with the logo change. There is a lot of social progress in other parts of the world, and btw the number of europeans on SO is greater than the number of americans. but don't worry, we are used to in your face attitudes by american companies.
Jun 28, 2015 at 14:17 comment added Aerious I think people need to relax. It hurts nothing to give the logo some color to in honor of social progress. + 1
Jun 28, 2015 at 10:21 comment added max I agree with you but the creator of the whole thing wants it and won't listen to anyone else because "some people" have given him crap so he looks at every one and everything with the same glasses that is "prejudice" and "hatred". I'm really disappointed because apparently some personal opinions are more relevant than others.
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:18 comment added miraculixx Fun fact, if you post a question on SO that is just remotely opinionated it will be blocked almost immediately. not so much for opinionated logo changes, apparently. talk about SO being community driven and fact based...
Jun 28, 2015 at 6:56 comment added Lev I'd argue that SOPA is way more relevant to SO than gay marriage.
Jun 28, 2015 at 4:22 comment added user486646 @trichoplax and I have no trouble with amending the constitiution. If people feel that the marriage should be extended to people based on sexual behavior then by all means follow the process and do it through an amendment. This ruling bypasses that process and says states have no rights, that there is no more a right to freedom of religion. No matter which way you feel on the matter Stack Overflow (and the other companies I will no longer do business with) have no business expressing an opinion either way.
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:40 comment added trichoplax is on Codidact now @dalewking if you still get to read this after you close your account, the US Constitution was a first draft, which is amended from time to time as bugs are identified.
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:36 comment added user486646 Closing my account due to your showing support for the Supreme Court's unlawful overthrow of the Constitution.
Jun 27, 2015 at 21:38 comment added user146043 @PietroSaccardi There are other forms of discrimination; this is an all too rare celebration of the success of freedom and justice over bigotry and stupidness in just one sphere. I'm sure other successes would be celebrated also.
Jun 27, 2015 at 21:14 comment added Pietro Saccardi @Alex see asgs's comment: in the world discrimination and social issues are not just limited to gay discrimination. And I don't need to go that far to disturb my gay friends: I also think changing a logo is not a big deal. But I also think that SO logo is not Google's Doodle.
Jun 27, 2015 at 20:45 comment added user146043 @asgs "..keep the focus off...devote our time...other places on Internet" What are you talking about? They changed the logo, not you.
Jun 27, 2015 at 20:43 comment added user146043 @PietroSaccardi Choose one flag over another? It would be fair to perhaps have a flag celebrating the unfair discrimination of gays tomorrow, you mean, to make it balanced? I feel the people who run SO are best placed to decide what should happen on SO. Perhaps you should ask your gay friends (you have some, right?) what they think of a website changing its logo for a few hours to celebrate a positive change in the law.
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:03 comment added asgs While I respect the judgment on Same Sex marriages, I really wish if SO and its sister sites (those that don't specifically focus on issues like this) keep the focus off. It's a Q&A site for specific areas and focusing on issues like this doesn't make sense. There are more pressing issues than this like Climate engineering, pollution, Ozone layer issues, over population, corruption, greed, wars, genocides, animal death rates, Political issues, etc., So, let's not devote our time on such issues in StackExchange sites. There are definitely a whole lot of other places on Internet for such things.
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:33 comment added Aleksey Deryagin Totally agree about such irrelevant bs, keep SO logo straight!
Jun 27, 2015 at 9:59 comment added Pietro Saccardi What is the line between what is relevant and what is not relevant? Why would SO choose one flag over another? Each part of the community might be more sensitive to one or the other cause. I do not want to diminish the importance of the event, but I feel like SO should stay within its purpose.
Jun 27, 2015 at 9:14 comment added Harold Cavendish I absolutely agree with you. Our university uses the same double standards and it's pure hypocrisy.
Jun 27, 2015 at 4:21 comment added Tharif well have not seen this before in stackoverflow,a change of logo!.Where was the social cause and promotions for other issues?
Jun 26, 2015 at 23:32 comment added Lynob got to agree with what you said, im straight and not american so this whole gay thing is none of my business and i believe in freedom and all, but if SO wants to decide promoting social causes, right now at this very moment, there are like 50 more important things, like today ISIS killed 150 civilian, perhaps some logo against that is better, so it should stay far away from all of this, cause if sometthing starts it will never ends. And perhaps some people are against same sex marriage and will be offended, so stay neutral
Jun 26, 2015 at 21:57 comment added IAbstract @FactorMystic: it is wholly inappropriate ... this is a political agenda and people are discussing it as such. The whole separation of church and state for instance (Gorb) ...that phrase has as much to do with the Constitution as the SCOTUS decision this morning.
Jun 26, 2015 at 21:46 comment added Factor Mystic @IAbstract how much any individual agrees/disagrees with the United States court decisions should not impact whether it is appropriate for SO site operators to exploit the site to promote social causes
Jun 26, 2015 at 21:45 comment added user177800 I think you are confusing your belief that they expanded your narrow definition of marriage, I think you are just realizing your definition is not the definition of marriage, nor the majority one, if it was the comments and posts were be quite different than they are, I see only one person posting angry stuff about a logo change.
Jun 26, 2015 at 21:39 comment added IAbstract @BobHorn: there is no honor in this decision by the Supreme Court - moral concerns aside, the SCOTUS did not have the authority to expand the definition of marriage. They overstepped their constitutional authority.
Jun 26, 2015 at 21:07 comment added amal50 I'm sad because I don't have enough reputation to vote you down
Jun 26, 2015 at 20:44 comment added Gorbles This isn't a social "cause". This is the righting of a wrong that was caused by the interlinking of Church and State for some reason.
Jun 26, 2015 at 19:49 comment added Ryan Lundy What contentious social issue next? Shall we change the logo to indicate StackOverflow's views of abortion, or guns, or Pacific trade, or whom the next U.S. President should be?
Jun 26, 2015 at 19:39 comment added Andrei Rînea @answer: I wholeheartedly agree!
Jun 26, 2015 at 19:34 comment added P.P Let's assume there are no gay employees in SE(including the CEO), would they still do what they do now? I doubt. That wouldn't make the gay rights any less of an issue, would it? Then why care of some social issues and not others? This has nothing to with whether I agree/disagree with the decision or I care about any social issues; it's simply whether we should be using SO for social causes(to discuss, support, oppose or otherwise).
Jun 26, 2015 at 18:24 comment added Factor Mystic @Two-BitAlchemist those words are in reference to the topic, which is that SO is being used to promote social causes. Those words are not in reference to any particular social cause, nor are they an opinion on SOPA or marriage equality
Jun 26, 2015 at 18:17 comment added Two-Bit Alchemist "I am completely uninterested in being badgered about social causes... I am disgusted by the recent Internet trend... I hate that Stack Overflow is doing this now too." Sorry I missed your communitarian language the first time and misinterpreted this as a personal annoyance of yours. My question stands: if you are so concerned about the community, why do you seem mostly unfazed by resistance from that same community to not doing things your way?
Jun 26, 2015 at 18:14 comment added Factor Mystic @Two-BitAlchemist if you believe that I don't want to use SO to promote social causes because I don't believe in the social cause at hand, that is incorrect. My disagreement is purely on the principle of how the site should be run.
Jun 26, 2015 at 18:11 comment added Two-Bit Alchemist Here as before, your comments are couched in language about how you think this is hurting the site, but it is patently obvious that you simply disagree with the politics being endorsed and it is annoying you personally. If you're so concerned about the community and the platform, then why do you seem unfazed by a huge amount of disagreement from the community?
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:58 comment added Tim @FactorMystic I think, the Rainbow Flag is rainbow to encompass all people...? Not just LGBT but LGBTS+?
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:45 comment added serv-inc @TankorSmash: around 4%, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:43 comment added Daniel Evans @FactorMystic If the community at large doesn't care, then they don't care. You are arguing that the communities should not be allowed to decide what they do and don't care about, for all intents and purposes because YOU don't care about it.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:43 comment added Factor Mystic @BobHorn I linked it rather than simply copy/paste what I said before & additional discussion. The up/down vote count is in the 90's both way, so it was vigorously discussed. The situations are equivalent so the old argument still applies.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:37 history edited gunr2171 CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jun 26, 2015 at 17:31 comment added Bob Horn @FactorMystic So you're pointing me to a question that has -4 overall downvotes? And that question still doesn't explain what it hurts. Do you really think SO will be any different tomorrow for changing the logo for a bit?
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:30 comment added BSMP It should be neutral. - Given the tweet, it's a little late for that.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:28 comment added Factor Mystic @BobHorn please see my linked answer on the SOPA discussion for why this is a bad principle for site operation
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:27 comment added Bob Horn @FactorMystic What does it hurt to do this?
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:27 comment added Factor Mystic @DanielEvans United States court decisions don't affect more people than they do affect, if you want to use that argument. Regardless, SO is a worldwide community... "for professional and enthusiast programmers". Not "for professional and enthusiast United States court discussers"
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:25 comment added TankorSmash Isn't it like 10% of the population? That's not close to a majority
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:24 comment added Daniel Evans Stack Exchange bills itself as communities. This issue affects a big swath of the community. Including me. Your arguments about the SOPA announcment ignore the basic principal of SE/SO: The communities decide.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:23 comment added Factor Mystic @BobHorn i'm sure there's a limitless supply of social issues you can take a principled stand on and you're welcome to do so... but NOT on StackOverflow, and certainty not via SO's logo
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:19 comment added Factor Mystic @BobHorn all social issues are "progressive" to some subset of the global population and "regressive" to another subset of the global population. It's not right or proper that stackoverflow be the voice for just one of those people. It should be neutral.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:18 comment added Bob Horn I think people need to relax. It hurts nothing to give the logo some color to in honor of social progress.
Jun 26, 2015 at 17:17 history answered Factor Mystic CC BY-SA 3.0