Timeline for More actively discourage third-party product support on Stack Overflow
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S Oct 19, 2022 at 9:34 | vote | accept | Gert Arnold | ||
Oct 19, 2022 at 8:19 | history | edited | Gert Arnold | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jan 25, 2019 at 17:42 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
(While we are at it.) - yes, I did not bump it (that was by a question edit)!
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Jan 25, 2019 at 15:43 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:15 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Oct 8, 2015 at 7:28 | comment | added | Gert Arnold | @TravisJ Looks like a viable initiative to ensure that product support is really backed by a committed team. It's worth the try I guess. | |
Oct 6, 2015 at 21:51 | comment | added | Travis J | So, they kind of went in a different direction... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/307513/… SO now supports product support! | |
Jun 20, 2015 at 9:22 | history | edited | Gert Arnold | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jun 19, 2015 at 19:11 | vote | accept | Gert Arnold | ||
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Jun 18, 2015 at 15:01 | comment | added | Ajedi32 | Well, looks like SonorQube updated the wording on their get support page. It's a bit better now, in that it no longer says that bug reports should be posted on SO. See the mailing list discussion on this for more details. | |
Jun 17, 2015 at 6:47 | comment | added | Gert Arnold | @aroth Third parties opening the gates to crappy off-topic questions that we all have to judge on their own merits (or lack thereof) is all but immaterial. Bad-quality questions is a very big issue. | |
Jun 17, 2015 at 5:48 | comment | added | aroth | Nope. Questions are judged individually on their own merits. It doesn't matter if the asker was referred by a vendor, or if they came here on their own because they think SO is better than the official support, or because official support gave them bad advice. And it doesn't necessarily matter that they want support regarding a third-party product (particularly if it's widely used in the programming context). Either their question is a good one, or it isn't. The rest is immaterial. | |
Jun 16, 2015 at 11:11 | answer | added | Ian Ringrose | timeline score: 15 | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 16:17 | comment | added | BillyNate | @Chris Baker - I never said the vendor should not be contacted or anything. I only said the OP should be helped to better understand where (s)he is asking the question. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 15:37 | answer | added | CQM | timeline score: -7 | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 15:13 | answer | added | user3373470 | timeline score: 9 | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 14:09 | comment | added | Ajedi32 | For this particular case, leewangzhong pointed out in a comment on the original question that the OP tried posting this bug report elsewhere, but a SonarQube representative specifically directed him to post on StackOverflow instead. I've replied on that thread, directing the SonarQube representative to StackOverflow's official policy on this matter. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 12:53 | comment | added | Chris Baker | @BillyNate There are more OPs than vendors, and it is easier to educate one vendor than the tens, hundreds, or thousands of people who use their product or will in the future. The mathematics of it show that proactive effort is most efficiently applied to the vendor. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 11:23 | comment | added | BillyNate | All the responses to this issue seem to be about the vendor. Although the vendor is the "source" of the problem, the OP is the one confused. Why not try to educate the OP, starting by telling the OP that SO is not an official support forum, but an independant Q&A website. Helping OP to understand the context and maybe even rephrase the question (when applicable) could just remove (part of) the frustration. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 10:07 | comment | added | Sayse | @BillyNate - It is reactive for the outsourcing company, but proactive for the maintenance of stack overflow (again, all that we should be concerned about). It becomes reactive for SO only when an out reach is needed in which case I don't think we can ever fully prevent. (If we could, then we would surely have found out how to stop bad questions too as a by product, right?) | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 9:58 | comment | added | IMSoP | @nwp Tim Post agreed, and wrote one several months ago. See my answer below for the link. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 9:55 | comment | added | BillyNate | @Sayse - Personally I feel "eventually those from the company would see the communities feedback on their tag" is a bit reactive, while a more proactive approach is needed to prevent these things from happening in the first place. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 9:52 | answer | added | IMSoP | timeline score: 35 | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 9:48 | comment | added | nwp | @Sayse An SO-written "How to outsource support to SO" is a great idea. Do it before someone else does and get it right. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 7:58 | comment | added | Sayse | @GertArnold - StackOverflow is the one who is in control here. We set the fences by continuing to deter bad questions, eventually those from the company would see the communities feedback on their tag (I would hope) and need to consider how to adapt their approach. I suppose it could be nice if there was something written about "how to use SO for your support" to be emailed out to the offenders but then there may already be. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 7:55 | comment | added | Gert Arnold | @Sayse I couldn't agree more. But how do we set the fences? More and more vendors discover SO as their cheap outsourcing site. | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 7:47 | comment | added | Sayse | StackOverflow isn't here to hold the vendor's hand, nor should it IMO. It is the vendors responsibility to look after their clients. StackOverflow should only be concerned with whether or not a question is suitable for StackOverflow | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 7:44 | comment | added | Pekka | Oh, no, I didn't read it as anything like that! | |
Jun 15, 2015 at 1:59 | history | edited | Boann | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jun 14, 2015 at 16:02 | comment | added | M.M | @BSMP Thanks for clearing that up. Agree that the 2nd one isn't appropriate | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 15:53 | comment | added | BSMP | @MattMcNabb - It's fine to ask programming questions here, it's not OK to ask customer support questions here. This is OK: stackoverflow.com/questions/30821923/… but this isn't: stackoverflow.com/questions/18362813/… | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 14:55 | comment | added | M.M | What's the reason for discouraging this? Most vendor support forums are absolutely terrible; as a user I'd rather use SO (and contribute both ways, not be a help-vampire of course). And in fact SO often provides better answers . | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 11:07 | comment | added | Jongware | That one question may possibly be improved by changing the first paragraph - the "you" complaint. | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 10:50 | comment | added | Pekka | Just saying because your narrative suggested you routinely do that :) Re a specific flag, the way this has worked so far was that people would complain on Meta about specific companies. I don't think a flag can improve much on that, ultimately it's up to SO staff whether they contact the company or not. Not sure whether that has happened in the case of Paypal for eaxmple | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 10:48 | comment | added | Pekka | Never retract your close vote just because the OP was given incorrect advice by a third party. | |
Jun 14, 2015 at 10:26 | history | asked | Gert Arnold | CC BY-SA 3.0 |