Timeline for Make downvotes free when downvoter leaves a comment?
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Feb 27, 2018 at 19:24 | comment | added | anton_rh | @BSMP, people usually will not do this. If someone does this, their downvote is the same nonsense as their comment. So how do you stop people from downvoting without a reason? If someone downvotes and posts nonsense, it means their downvote is dishonest. And because of their comment, that becomes obvious. It's much better than just silent dishonest downvote (IMO). | |
Feb 27, 2018 at 19:02 | comment | added | BSMP | @anton_rh - How do you stop people from commenting with nonsense just to avoid the hit to their reputation? | |
Feb 27, 2018 at 9:02 | comment | added | anton_rh | If you want to be anonymous, don't post the comment, but in this case you will lose a score of your reputation. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 18:38 | comment | added | htm11h | @BSMP this has nothing to do with specifically with a "recommendation request", the issue being addressed is "improving question quality", and possibly not allowing a down vote and close vote with no feedback (simultaneously). The exception here, to this argument is the "recommendation request", "advertising", and other such issues you raised earlier which are clearly CLOSE posts. In which case there is no need for a down vote. There is a distinction. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 17:50 | comment | added | BSMP | your changing your position @htm11h No, we just disagree over whether a question being a recommendation request makes it not useful. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 15:33 | comment | added | htm11h | @BSMP your changing your position, "able to tell that something is a blatant recommendation request, or a customer support question" is not the same as "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful." Please understand that there are a number of users on this site that would prefer to see movement to allow the OP to improve a question, allowing blatant down vote AND Close vote at the same time with ZERO feedback, is simply counter productive to improving question quality. Even a canned message would improve the current state of affairs. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 14:54 | comment | added | BSMP | @htm11h The tooltip says This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful. That applies to most of the flag reasons. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 13:02 | comment | added | htm11h | @BSMP those are not arguments for down votes, but valid reasons to close. The issue was down voting on question quality, not inappropriate content. | |
Dec 21, 2017 at 0:43 | comment | added | BSMP | @htm11h I don't need rep on a specific tag to be able to tell that something is a blatant recommendation request, or a customer support question, etc. | |
Dec 20, 2017 at 20:22 | comment | added | htm11h | The only point I see here is the "asfgasv" response to a required comment for down vote. I do believe that it may be partly mitigated by not allowing down votes on questions where the down voter has not earned enough rep on a tag attached to the question. I don't want to point to moderator abuse or reviewer abuse, but blatantly flying through questions down voting does no good in helping to improve question quality. One could argue that the down vote is acting to that end, but I just read on similar post, a question was closed in less than 2 mins and never made it to triage. Not good. | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 13:40 | comment | added | The Bitman | OK. But as many good quality post as possible is the interest of everybody. And the good quality comments can promote this goal. | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 13:36 | comment | added | The Bitman | I think the correct way for downvoting : (1) leave a comment. (2) if the owner of the question does not correct/not answer appropriately, the downvote is right. | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 13:36 | comment | added | Servy | @TheBitman The vast majority of people don't correct their posts even when they are told what's wrong with it. And anyway, the purpose of the downvote is to provide feedback on the quality of the post. If the author uses that feedback to improve the post, that's great, but the downvote is accomplishing its primary function regardless, namely informing future readers of the quality of the post. | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 13:34 | comment | added | The Bitman | @Servy But you can understand the initial raising : how the poster correct his/hes question if s/he has no information about the ideas behind the downvote(s)? | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 13:14 | comment | added | Servy | @TheBitman Since you don't have much of any experience with the site, you clearly aren't familiar with what actually happens when people comment when downvoting. It typically makes things worse, and rather rarely ends up creating constructive discussions. The drama and problems it causes tends to be rather significant. And that's currently happening only with people that choose to comment; what do you think would happen if you started requiring it, or heavily incentivising it? It would either make those problems much worse, or prevent people from downvoting bad content (or both). | |
Mar 28, 2017 at 11:32 | comment | added | The Bitman | @Servy Why do you love to anonym downvoting? Your profile the same. No one can know anything of you. But you downvote (anytime) anybody if you think so. Without any explanation. If you reduces anybody reputation, the minimum to explain the reason. | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 20:16 | comment | added | Servy | @Dave you specifically stated in your first comment to this answer that this is going to be reducing anonymity, and seem to feel that that is somehow a good thing, or a goal of the request. If you don't think that anonymity is a problem, then why are you proposing a feature that tries so hard to get rid of it? | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:58 | comment | added | Dave | At @BSMP - I'm not trying to solve anonymous voting and, like you, I don't think it is even a problem. Just suggesting an incentive for people to leave proactive criticism (or, at the very least out themselves). | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:48 | comment | added | Servy | @Dave I don't see why that'd be the case at all. Anecdotally, I don't see users who know (or think they know) who downvoted them accepting the downvotes as being valid criticisms any more than those who don't have any idea who vote don their post. | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:47 | comment | added | Patrice | @Dave but we shouldn't look at the poster, but the post itself.... why should it be different for comments? | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:46 | comment | added | Dave | @servy - it would be easier to accept a downvote and you'd be quicker to accept a downvote and, as a user, you'd be more likely to internalize it properly if you knew the downvoter was more reputable than most users. | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:43 | comment | added | BSMP | @Dave - Anonymous voting is not a problem that needs to be solved. | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:43 | comment | added | Servy | @Dave So why is that a good thing? We want downvotes to be anonymous. We don't want them to lose their anonymity. And then there's all the times that someone only downvotes, and someone else comments to explain without downvoting, and the author assumes the commentor downvoted. It'd make those types of situations far more likely. | |
Jun 4, 2015 at 19:42 | comment | added | Dave | You're absolutely right that it wouldn't - but even in that case it forces the downvoter to sacrifice their anonymity so you would at least know if you were downvoted by someone who knew what they were talking about. | |
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