Timeline for "You're Unclear on What You're Asking"
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Apr 13, 2017 at 13:00 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:15 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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May 21, 2015 at 12:22 | comment | added | falsarella | @deceze Thanks for your experience and sincere considerations. This will help a lot while building a good guideline in the path to a possible acceptance. | |
May 21, 2015 at 12:12 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @falsarella Pessimistic that such a proposal would actually fly and become a useful resource. If all the "bad" questions from SO would accumulate on that site, as an "expert" I wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole. On the other hand, all the "newbs" who will congregate on that site who currently feel ostracised by the SO community would have fun giving each other advice, but whether this will turn into a high quality resource is questionable IMO. But who knows, maybe this will be the "saviour of SO"; or its demise (because of user drainage). | |
May 21, 2015 at 12:08 | comment | added | falsarella | @deceze I'll certainly at least try it on Area 51! Thanks :) But you remain pessimistic in relation to what: my arguments, the Learners site try on area51, or both? | |
May 21, 2015 at 12:05 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @falsarella I remain pessimistic but wish you all the best with it anyway. | |
May 21, 2015 at 12:02 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @falsarella You're free to give it a shot at area51.stackexchange.com any time... :) | |
May 21, 2015 at 11:58 | comment | added | falsarella |
@deceze But note that there are lots of resolved closed questions (by answers or by comments), so maybe no expert would go to answer might not be true. Actually, beginners can learn with other intermediate learners/not so begginers. I also understand that not all closed would fit a Learners site also, that should be closed. Despite I understand the consensus, that's odd to make the assumption without even have already tried.
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May 21, 2015 at 6:41 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @falsarella I think that discussion was had a number of times, with the consensus being that this wouldn't help at all for various reasons. The biggest one being that this new site would just turn into a dumping ground of (expletive here) which no expert would go to answer and hence would at best be a cesspool of bad questions and answers. | |
May 20, 2015 at 21:41 | comment | added | falsarella | I like that line of thinking about requiring a certain minimum of knowledge. I think that a good suggestion would be creating a Stack Overflow Learners site, like the two English sites: one for the experts and another for learners. Then migrating those type of questions to there could be a possible good way of handling it all. | |
May 2, 2015 at 22:54 | comment | added | KSFT | I guess don't understand how meta works. Is "Here's why I agree" really an answer? | |
May 2, 2015 at 4:20 | comment | added | jpmc26 | An alternate defense of the "Too broad" reason for these cases: The asker's knowledge gap is so wide that filling it could fill several chapters of a book (like the kind of book used in basic programing courses). This fits in well with the definition of "Too broad." | |
May 2, 2015 at 2:58 | comment | added | John Saunders | @abarnert: users who don't know what they need, or who think they need one thing, when they actually need another, are an everyday occurrence on Stack Overflow. If there were one official book, then the user could at least say which chapters they had read, and what they didn't understand. "The book" might even include tests of comprehension. | |
May 2, 2015 at 2:48 | comment | added | abarnert | @JohnSaunders: He can't be helped until you can figure out that, whatever he thinks "recursive" means, that's not it; until then, his question means something entirely different from what it says, which makes it pretty hard to answer. Sure, he's a more advanced questioner than a lot of other people, but that doesn't mean he's a better one. (There are people who ask terrible questions about expert-level things, and people who ask great novice-level questions; it may not be the form, but it definitely happens.) | |
May 2, 2015 at 2:42 | comment | added | John Saunders |
@abarnert: I think a user like you're describing can be helped. He at least knows what a function is, and what it means to call a function. The answer to his question is pretty much, "recursive means a function calling itself, directly or indirectly", along with one example for the direct, and one for the indirect. We don't need to teach him what a function is, what variables are, what data types are, that 1 is different from "1" , etc.
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May 2, 2015 at 2:05 | comment | added | abarnert | My favorite aren't the people who don't know what a loop is, but who think they do. There was a Python question a few days ago from a guy who wanted to know how to "do recursive" without his function calling itself. At first I thought he was looking for something tricky, but no, he just didn't get that there was any link between "calling itself" and "doing recursive"; his teacher had asked him for a recursive solution, he assumed he knew what that meant, and he was wrong. | |
May 1, 2015 at 13:51 | comment | added | user146043 | "We expect and in practice require a certain minimum amount of knowledge" If only! "or at the very least an awareness of a lack of knowledge" Yes, this possibly explains all the "noob here" prefixes (that needs an auto-filter!) | |
May 1, 2015 at 13:44 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @David Sure, but I do think phrasing is important to keep everything within the right bounds. It is more encouraging to close as you just don't get it when a thusly named close reason exists. Too broad IMO does require a bit more impartial judgement. | |
May 1, 2015 at 13:38 | comment | added | David Eisenstat | The text of the close reasons has had no impact on how I vote to close. I used to "misappropriate" minimal understanding; now I misappropriate too broad/unclear. | |
May 1, 2015 at 13:25 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @VGR That's just... wow. That person must have never picked up a book, tutorial, documentation or even just read other people's code... O_O | |
May 1, 2015 at 13:24 | comment | added | VGR | There actually was a question within the last couple months asking how to make code repeat. The word "loop" apparently was not in the asker's vocabulary, though. | |
Apr 30, 2015 at 8:48 | comment | added | 2Dee | @badp I suppose it usually is, unless you ask the guy who pays for the job getting done :) | |
Apr 30, 2015 at 8:40 | history | edited | decezeMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 30, 2015 at 8:36 | comment | added | badp | @2Dee isn't "learning on the job" fun? | |
Apr 30, 2015 at 8:25 | history | edited | decezeMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 30, 2015 at 8:17 | comment | added | 2Dee | "I've copy-n-pasted together a bunch of code and it don't work" -> 3 out of 5 questions on the android tag. And I'm pretty sure we could say the same for quite a few more high traffic tags. | |
Apr 30, 2015 at 8:15 | history | answered | decezeMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |