Timeline for Can we remove vote lock-in?
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Jun 10, 2023 at 16:59 | comment | added | Jonathan Voss | Just adding my voice here in opposition to this vote locking nonsense. There should at least be a confirmation dialog to let the user know they are making an intractable error when they mistakenly vote on something rather than telling them after the fact "hey, sorry, we don't let you do that[; but if you want to know why, go dig through the meta site for a weak and paranoid justification for the inconvenience and forced inaccuracy]." | |
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Feb 3, 2017 at 4:11 | comment | added | endolith | None of those 4 reasons in any way justifies vote locking. The cure is much worse than the disease. If you're that worried about non-existent griefing, then just make it cost rep to change votes. Not letting us change mistaken votes at all is harmful to the accuracy of the site. | |
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Jan 2, 2017 at 2:41 | comment | added | Shog9 | It's not the official reason, @Viliami. It's the best reason though, IMHO. | |
Jan 2, 2017 at 2:40 | comment | added | Viliami | That's not the real reason for vote-locking. | |
Dec 9, 2016 at 22:30 | comment | added | devios1 | Perhaps the problem is negative rep in the first place. | |
Dec 9, 2016 at 22:29 | comment | added | Shog9 | In a certain sense, everything connected to the reputation system is trivial and inconsequential. But of course, from that perspective it matters not a whit what we do allow or don't allow... So when you have hundreds of people complaining about losing rep because someone was bored one day, @devios1, it makes sense to add some resistance to these things. | |
Dec 9, 2016 at 22:16 | comment | added | devios1 | Well tbh I don't see the given examples as being things that need to be avoided, but perhaps I'm not understanding the depth of their implications. But given that a user can only vote at most once for any post, the "widespread confusion" would basically be limited to a one vote decrease on every post, which is hardly detrimental. In short, these seem like very fringe cases that do not warrant the constant inconvenience to regular honest users. If the concern is tactical downvoting, perhaps simply not allowing votes on peer answers, and only allow voting on questions you don't yourself answer. | |
Dec 9, 2016 at 22:09 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @devios1: If you have some clever ideas to solve the problems Shog's outlined, you should probably add them as an answer here. I'd be interested; it seems a challenging proposition. | |
Mar 1, 2016 at 19:44 | comment | added | devios1 | These are seriously paranoid concerns. How can concerns like this (that, by the way, can be solved in other ways) take priority over the quality of the content of the site? | |
Sep 14, 2015 at 6:31 | comment | added | cfi | Why do you think that that definition is different than what I used - in my comment? Even if you insist on the WP definition, my comment is still valid. While I don't like escalating examples, since my example above goes unheeded, I'll present one stronger: Terrorists essentially do the same thing: They cause much "frustration" with the goal to destabilize established systems. And our government's reactions is exactly what they want: They overreact for various (and wrong) reasons, impose rules that make life harder for everyone but still do not prevent acts of terror. They never will. | |
Sep 13, 2015 at 15:29 | comment | added | Shog9 | I'm using a term with a specific meaning in this context, @cfi: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer | |
Sep 13, 2015 at 9:50 | comment | added | cfi | Grief, frustration, and annoyance are different things. I'm annoyed at having to stop at red lights, frustrated if it's the fifth red light on my way. We have to live with such. Life is full of things we don't like and even cause frustration. Griefing is causing frustration on purpose. But even that cannot be stopped 100%. Neighbors may mow the grass every day even if it's only for griefing. Some things we just have to tolerate, otherwise we impose rule on everybody causing more harm than the odd griefing. There has to be a balance of rules. Imho, vote locking has been one step too far. | |
Sep 11, 2015 at 15:46 | comment | added | Shog9 | As the name implies, the point of griefing is... to cause grief. Frustration. Annoyance. @cfi. It doesn't matter that the problems caused are minor or can be fixed after the fact - if your goal is to make people unhappy then you've achieved that goal even if the means by which you accomplished it are later removed. Also note that "fixing" problems with voting often runs counter to the philosophy of personal voting autonomy and privacy, so that's actually quite a challenge. | |
Sep 11, 2015 at 8:42 | comment | added | cfi | Maybe I'm ignorant, but somehow none of the four bullets appear to be seriously damaging to anyone. Especially considering Holger's comment about the vote limits right above. I could imagine that someone is so insane to even create sockpuppets to implement such a griefing strategy. But then there must be a way for the site to trigger a moderator action if it detects a certain number of votes on a user's posts per day. Such a trigger would be non-intrusive, while the lock-in surely is. | |
May 5, 2015 at 14:46 | comment | added | Holger | There is a maximum of 40 votes in a day which makes the scenario of retracting thousands of vote at a time very far fetched, assuming that changing a vote should be as limited as casting a new vote. I’m quite sure that treating multiple vote changes on the same post like any other sequence of multiple votes, i.e. apply the limit and detect them as serial voting, wouldn’t be that hard. | |
Apr 23, 2015 at 23:18 | history | answered | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |