Timeline for Slow response rate and a low number of upvotes as compared to 2-3 years ago
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Apr 5, 2015 at 2:16 | comment | added | mason | @DarioFumagalli "No one cares" shouldn't bother you if you know what the site's purpose was and is: to provide a high quality resource to programmers. Not for you to feel warm and fuzzy or have fun conversations. This isn't growing pains: it's the site improving and taking a stricter stance on content that was never allowed. | |
Apr 3, 2015 at 17:20 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | It's hard to notice for those who discuss and reply on SO fairly often but easy to spot for those like me who come in here once every 2 months. By now I have been teached by people like @gnats about what's going on. My "I smell something" instinct was right, SO is indeed suffering growth pains and - very sadly, it seems it'll going to cut out people with my "small, warm, welcoming" community type tastes. A sad day for me, it's like breaking a long lasting relation with somebody you love. I guess it's time to harden up, pack my things and move on. Your keyword: "the truth is no one cares". | |
Apr 3, 2015 at 17:19 | comment | added | mason | @DarioFumagalli Like I said, if you meet those requirements, your question should be at least neutral. Do you really think that's a hard barrier, or that we should lower our standards? I think the answer to both of those is a firm "no". We don't want crap questions, we don't want crap answers, and we don't think it's hard to have a good question or answer. If you disagree, provide evidence. Saying it's imperceptible means it's not actionable. | |
Apr 3, 2015 at 17:16 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | @mason Some things are like the doctor: you don't even learn his name until you feel you need them. Discussions like this are popping more and more (and will increase) and I randomly ended here exactly because I could not understand why my own content started being rejected more and more. You really listed a good number of good reccomendations, it used to totally be like that. However what you write is slowly getting less and less reliable to end in a well received SO question. Like somebody else's aging, this is an imperceptible day by day change. | |
Apr 3, 2015 at 12:33 | comment | added | mason | @DarioFumagalli Poorly worded questions are different from questions that don't meet the minimum requirements. You know: example inputs and outputs, relevant configuration and code, error messages and the locations they come from, minimal, complete, verifiable, not off-topic. If you meet those requirements people are unlikely to downvote. If you meet those requirements and your question is interesting or well worded, you're likely to get upvoted. | |
Apr 3, 2015 at 10:48 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | @mason I had written a long response but then I found out this reply suits the situation perfectly. The guy also speaks English better than I do (and still brings in an example of -1 grammar vote). | |
Apr 2, 2015 at 15:54 | comment | added | mason | A "-1 sherrif" - language like that doesn't bolster your point. If you believe some incorrect behavior is happening, then provide specific examples, meaning links. Explain your side of the story, and do so objectively. Because your post and comments make it sound like people are personally attacking you, when the truth is no one cares who you or I are, we're just evaluating the words you've posted. Exactly like a good resource should. | |
Apr 2, 2015 at 10:19 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | In my last reply (language section) I got -1 because I just spent 15 minutes replying, then 30 minutes preparing a VIDEO to explain the thing yet a -1 sheriff decided I typoed a word (English being my 3rd language) and a typo rightly invalidated all my selfless effort. Well, I should actually thank him, as he was one of the few who bothered saying his profound reason why he downvoted. | |
Apr 2, 2015 at 10:15 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | Feedback = "childish behavior and nonsense logic". Kind words that are a testament to today's SO attitude towards end users but also non hardcore answers posters like me. Thank you. This childish behavior worked very well when SO was at its peak. You know, before snotty guys were given the -1 weapons and people could REPLY (not talking about questions) knowing it'd be at least appreciated. No medals, no gold, no e-peen, just a thank you was enough. Yeah, childish behavior that was it. | |
Apr 2, 2015 at 9:47 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | You're doing it again. Asserting that "concentric ostracism" has "ensued" because you "just dared to say something". No, mate. No. You are being criticised for your ridiculous childish behaviour and nonsense logic. | |
Apr 2, 2015 at 7:50 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | @LightningRacisinObrit I am not here to be cool, I am there to try avoid SO becomes what too many times I have seen in the past: something awesome that grows too much for its own good and then gets taken over by intransigent zealots who cause its long term fall. I am here because I owe the original SO many inspirations for true solutions. I am here despite it's 2 years I have no reason to spend my time here because what made SO special is fading. It used to be an awesome, friendly, helpful, NO MEDALS NEEDED community. Now look... just dare to say something...BHAM...concentric ostracism ensues. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 19:31 | comment | added | Kevin B | Your last paragraph. Why shouldn't we expect askers to go through the same process that us answerers use to answer your questions? By doing so you save us answerers time by solving the problem yourself and not asking, or by providing said research in the question as a starting point for answerers. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 12:49 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | "Also, why just because I posted a reply, it got a -1? This is another issue with the "new SO": people getting downvoted just because." Your very first response is to make up baseless allegations and to feel sorry for yourself? Not cool, man. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 12:49 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Gawd, what a kerfuffle. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 11:00 | comment | added | l4mpi | Your assertion that people no longer care is also more than incorrect. I do care about creating a high quality resource of questions and answers. I do not care in the slightest for solving trivial homework problems for lazy people, or creating a free remote debugging service. And helping individual people is exactly part of the problem - if you help all those poor lazy users who can't even ask a decent question, you flood the site with crap and in turn make things worse for the users who actually care about quality. And your last comment just contains more baseless assumptions... | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 11:00 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | Also, since you are so adamant about "objectiveness": in old SO you'd easily get 3-4 replies. Most were far from perfect, some were low quality or borderline off-topic. But out of 3-4 replies, with some creativity, you could slap together your solution. Enter new SO: you get the cold, clean site. Some will be even scared to ask anything because they know they'll get either ignored or downvoted anyway.. because. Others will get zero or 1 reply, the less than perfect ones get annihilated. Result: if the reply did not help, now you can't even look at other replies to creatively create a solution. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:57 | comment | added | l4mpi | The meta sites are not for aggregating feedback from thousands of users in form of answers. Not sure why you would think they are. And while I agree that the question is a bit subjective (and at least partially answered in the past discussions I mentioned), the list of things OP mentions are hard facts that can be verified or falsified, and if verified the causes can be discussed. Your personal feelings don't exactly help; and the fact that as you yourself say this answer is an "addition" (or derailment) to the topic does not help either. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | Personal feedback is the building block to create millions of aggregate feedback, that is the foundation of how you measure statistical metrics. The very question in this topic is subjective, I don't see -99999999 next to it. Also, "sorry to break it to you, but nobody cares about those" is exactly part of the topic. I'd give money to go back to a SO where people cared and helped. Not judged from an high pedestal. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:41 | comment | added | l4mpi | As for how fast I downvoted, I downvoted as soon as I arrived at "SO became more hostile to questions" (which is so wrong I don't even know where to start - I'd say SO became far less hostile to crap questions), which was enough to get a good impression of where the answer was going. Of course I read the whole thing and would have undone my DV if the rest of the answer would have redeemed it, but it didn't. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:37 | comment | added | l4mpi | That's exactly why your answer is useless - it's a personal feedback post. It makes a lot of assumptions and assertions without backing up anything with facts, and talks about your personal feelings (sorry to break it to you, but nobody cares about those - SE aims to be a repository of useful content, making you feel good or bad has nothing to do with that goal). And your conclusion that there is no way to ask about complex architecture on SE is plain wrong. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:27 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | The very fact you believe "third view" users feedback to be useless is part of the problem. No, I am not going to spend my days reading months of SE meta, I am but an user who spent 15 minutes of his life trying to contribute to a discussion born out of feelings and that won't do the same mistake again. Also, you downvoted FIVE seconds after I posted the reply, you could not even have read what it was about. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:04 | comment | added | l4mpi | And I did downvote you, because your answer is useless. You're making incorrect assumptions, complain about SO not being "friendly" (which is a useless metric, and mostly a complaint of people who get downvoted for posting crap), don't seem to know the SE ecosystem, don't seem to be aware of the quality discussions that have taken place on meta.SO and meta.SE in the last months, etc, etc, etc. All in all, this answer is not useful which is the exact tooltip of the downvote arrow. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 10:00 | comment | added | l4mpi | "I see some complain people keep repeating old questions" - where? We mostly complain about crap questions; people dumping their homework, expecting SO to be a debugging service, not having the slightest idea what they're doing, not searching at all, not even giving enough information to reproduce their issue, etc, etc. This has nothing to do with "high level" or "diverse" questions at all. And re "a SO way to ask for architectural solutions", there are other SE sites like programmers.SE where larger scale architectural questions are on-topic AFAIK. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 9:58 | comment | added | Dario Fumagalli | Also, why just because I posted a reply, it got a -1? This is another issue with the "new SO": people getting downvoted just because. | |
Apr 1, 2015 at 9:54 | history | answered | Dario Fumagalli | CC BY-SA 3.0 |