Timeline for Help Improve The Help & Improvement Queue!
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May 23, 2017 at 12:38 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://stackoverflow.com/ with https://stackoverflow.com/
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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:34 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Mar 6, 2015 at 14:57 | history | edited | user50049 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 6, 2015 at 4:13 | comment | added | Qantas 94 Heavy | @Turnerj: there also is the opposite with the new queue, where it will stay in the Help queue until someone edits them if "Should Be Improved" is selected. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 22:48 | comment | added | Turnerj | If a Triage question that borderlines Unsalvageable and SBI (like suggested above) is flagged as "Unclear what you are asking", that will make the close vote queue longer yeah? If so I think rather than shift borderline questions to Unsalvageable, another option is needed so the OP can do the tiny changes required without needing to involve close voters. Only where there is significant issues with the question is it really Unsalvageable. (Though like others have started, maybe this is just a verbiage thing on the Triage buttons) | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 19:36 | comment | added | Chris Baker | I tried it, and also found the first several questions were close-vote fodder rather than needing improvement. In that short experience, it could have been a "close-vote please" list instead. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 19:22 | comment | added | Patrice | honestly, I used "should be improved" for stuff that the OP should have improved. Had I known that this was thew use of the triage queue, I would've acted differently. I managed to get 1 question to act on in 10 skips.... I think the triage queue should be cleared on what will happen for each button | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 19:18 | comment | added | TylerH | ^ This is a serious issue. Also @MichaelBerkowski "that is not close-worthy" It actually is on-hold-worthy, which is achieved through close voting; it just uses different verbiage to append to the question title. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 19:08 | comment | added | nobody | I suspect the "Unsalvageable" button gets under-used because it takes five clicks (all over the screen) to vote to close something as off-topic, vs. a single click to use any of the other three buttons. And possibly also because you can use the Triage queue when you're out of close votes, and mark things "Should be improved" that really deserve to be closed. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 19:08 | history | edited | davidism | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 5, 2015 at 18:57 | comment | added | Servy | @JeffreyBosboom Or it could just label the three buttons that it does have correctly, "OK", "can be edited by the community", "close". Those are what the buttons do now, they're just mis-labeled in such a way as to result in people taking actions that aren't appropriate for the post. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:57 | history | edited | davidism | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 5, 2015 at 18:54 | comment | added | Jeffrey Bosboom | I'm pretty sure the "Should Be Improved" help text says the question needs edits "by the asker or others" (or similar; I can't see it right now because I've done my 20 triage reviews for the day). I think Triage needs four buttons (ok, community edit, close until OP edits, delete) instead. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:38 | comment | added | Servy | @MichaelBerkowski It's not salvageable by the community. Going out of your way to push it to a queue where community members can edit it when they can't actually fix the problems is not productive. You're just filling the queue up with items that everyone will be forced to skip. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:22 | comment | added | Michael Berkowski | @Servy Disagree - The Triage button is called "unsalvageable". A question answerable with a small investment either from the community or the OP is by definition not unsalvageable. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:19 | comment | added | Servy |
@MichaelBerkowski They just need a small point of clarification from an engaged OP. Keep in mind lots and lots of questions don't actually end up getting that. And if they do edit it, then the question is unlikely to attract it's 5th close vote, or if it does, it'll easily get reopened. However, leaving an unanswerable question unclosed because the OP just might come back tomorrow, or the next day, or next month, to answer the one simple question that would make the question answerable, is a problem.
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Mar 5, 2015 at 18:16 | comment | added | Deduplicator | @MichaelBerkowski If you can comment and wait 5 minutes before closing, you are welcome to do so to preserve your votes for more worthy prey. But don't not close because it only just doesn't meet the minimum standards. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:14 | comment | added | Michael Berkowski | @Deduplicator Closing as "unclear" is a step beyond this, for questions where intent can't be discerned at all, not just where a bit of clarification is needed. If "unclear" were applied rigorously, hardly any questions would ever survive it. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:12 | comment | added | Michael Berkowski | @Deduplicator There are many many cases where the OP needs only to answer one small question before the question can be answered, and those are not closeworthy. They just need a small point of clarification from an engaged OP. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 18:09 | comment | added | Deduplicator | @MichaelBerkowski: How does it not deserve closing as unclear if a few more detaills by the OP are needed? I mean, that's what that close-reason is for! | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:59 | comment | added | Michael Berkowski | I went 8 for 8 on wishing I could close. The "needs improvement" from Triage seems to imply ( and this is the way I use it ) that the OP must provide more details, such as requested in comments. It doesn't make the question editable by a 3rd party because a few more details are needed, but not necessarily enough for an "Unclear what you're asking" | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:53 | history | edited | davidism | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 5, 2015 at 17:53 | comment | added | user50049 | Ah yeah, misinterpreted you, sorry :) So yeah, there's going to be a 'doesn't belong here' button of some sort. Skipping will do that, posts can't hang around in this forever or we just have an elephant, but there's more deliberate signal to put to use when someone says "Yeah no, this one isn't worth it." | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:49 | comment | added | davidism | @TimPost I was being a bit dramatic. I'm not going to stop using it outright, but it needs to be improved at a fundamental, not functional, level before I'd consider devoting a lot of time there. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:48 | comment | added | user50049 | I put a 'doesn't belong here' button into the design three times. We're going to take a look at narrowing what triage sends to it. "I used this for 5 minutes and will never use it again" - harsh. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:44 | history | edited | davidism | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 5, 2015 at 17:43 | comment | added | Shog9 | "relatively good" is... relative. | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:38 | comment | added | Ňɏssa Pøngjǣrdenlarp | was going to post the same thing: 7 out of the first 7 I saw needed to be closed etc. e.g: stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7248204, or stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7248169 or stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7248137 - make it an even 10 out of 10 | |
Mar 5, 2015 at 17:36 | history | answered | davidism | CC BY-SA 3.0 |