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Jan 27, 2022 at 19:24 answer added EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine timeline score: 1
Feb 23, 2015 at 19:25 vote accept Greg Hewgill
Feb 20, 2015 at 20:20 comment added Kevin B There's also the possibility of the user simply wanted to provide a more targeted answer for this op, even though the question was answered in another question on a broader level (for example, the ajax is asynchronous or for loop closure canonicals.)
Feb 20, 2015 at 20:01 comment added Kevin B What exactly would you expect the impact of this change to be? I can understand the idea behind preventing the malicious behavior, however, how do you know the user was being malicious? he/she very well could have provided an answer, then realized it was a dupe and closed it. If' it's a dupe, it definitely should be closed regardless of whether or not you provided an answer.
Feb 20, 2015 at 19:32 comment added epascarello I do answer and close questions a bunch. The reason for it is to help the user. Yes it is a dupe, but the OP might not know how to apply it directly to their code. So I give them the answer based off the dupe. I also have the mighty hammer so it closes it. A lot of the time I get "it is not a dupe" angry comment and have to explain how it applies. This way, I stop getting the angry comments. Personally, I would rather put the code in the comments and not an answer, but you know how crappy a few lines of code appears so it is useless.
Feb 20, 2015 at 18:51 answer added Steve Jessop timeline score: 0
Feb 19, 2015 at 22:03 comment added ruakh Is there an easy way for me to find questions that I've both answered and close-voted? I'm betting I've done it at least once, but of course I can't explain why without finding it . . .
Feb 19, 2015 at 20:59 answer added Chris Pratt timeline score: 2
Feb 19, 2015 at 12:36 comment added Sobrique I often answer a question, and then later see it in the review queue. I've no particular compunction about voting to close in that circumstance.
Feb 19, 2015 at 5:21 comment added Mark Ransom Anybody who has enough rep to wield a dupehammer isn't going to be motivated by a mere 25 points. If somebody's leaving an answer and voting to close as well, I assume they have good reasons. I know I've done it myself, although no examples jump to mind.
Feb 18, 2015 at 17:42 answer added Bruno timeline score: 2
Feb 18, 2015 at 17:25 comment added BoltClock Mod @Travis J: Yeah, it's totally fine to flag to ask for a merge. But merging is only done when the questions are word-for-word identical or the answers will make sense in the context of either question without having to edit them all to suit the merge destination - because merging is for the most part irreversible.
Feb 18, 2015 at 17:23 comment added Travis J @BoltClock - Us normal-folk can't merge like that though :) And it had never really occurred to me to flag for a moderator with a merge request. Should there be more merging?
Feb 18, 2015 at 15:08 comment added Servy @BoltClock Yep, and that sounds like it's exactly the use case that merging is there for. If one answers a question only to later realize it's a duplicate, merging is often the correct course of action, unless the recently added answer is just adding no additional value to the existing answers (or vice versa).
Feb 18, 2015 at 8:09 answer added Reto Koradi timeline score: 5
Feb 18, 2015 at 7:42 comment added BoltClock Mod I guess the takeaway in my case is to never assume a question hasn't been asked before, no matter how obscure the topic may be.
Feb 18, 2015 at 7:38 comment added BoltClock Mod I had a recent case of answering a question about a particularly obscure topic that turned out to have been asked exactly once, just a month before - with tons of upvotes but an answer that didn't provide much information precisely because the topic was so obscure. In my case, the questions were identical so I ended up merging them with permission from the user who originally answered as they favored my answer over theirs. The reason I answered the new question on the spot was because I honestly didn't expect it to have been asked before, and I figured I was in the best position to answer it.
Feb 18, 2015 at 7:05 answer added Makoto timeline score: 3
Feb 18, 2015 at 0:02 answer added Ňɏssa Pøngjǣrdenlarp timeline score: 19
Feb 17, 2015 at 22:12 answer added Travis J timeline score: 6
Feb 17, 2015 at 22:09 answer added Rachel timeline score: 30
Feb 17, 2015 at 22:08 comment added Travis J And if other answers to closed questions are not the issue, then what makes the one new answer different?
Feb 17, 2015 at 22:07 comment added Travis J @Servy - It doesn't seem to make sense to delete every answer to every closed question.
Feb 17, 2015 at 22:01 comment added Servy @TravisJ Just silently delete the answer instead of preventing the close vote ;)
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:58 comment added Travis J @Servy - I was addressing the discouraging answers aspect in general. I agree that if the scenario is you are voting to close, then answering it is more than likely contradictory. However, I am not convinced about how to solve the latter situation where you answer and then decide to vote to close for some reason or another that you discover once the answer was posted.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:57 comment added user289086 Related - one can retract close votes. One can't retract flags. Can a person with less than 3k rep flag a question as XYZ, (have it edited), and then answer? Or should they be under the restriction that they can't answer if they've flagged (or flag once they've answered and the question morphed)? Which also brings up the morphing question problem - you answer it, it morphs to another with more info and becomes a clear cut dup.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:56 comment added Servy @TravisJ That is a valid argument for why it's okay for someone to answer a question someone else (but not five others) has voted to close. But if you are voting to close the question, it is because you personally feel that (as the question stands) it would be better off for it to not be answered. Answering it is thus a contradiction.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:55 comment added Servy @MichaelBerkowski I suppose my statement was incomplete, as is so often the case of a summary. One votes to close questions that shouldn't be answered in their current state, and to which answering them as they are would cause more problems than they would solve.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:54 comment added user289086 It shouldn't be too hard to whip up a data.SE to find out how many people close questions with answers too and see if this is a small or big problem.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:54 comment added Travis J @Servy That sounds an awful lot like coming to a conclusion before there is actual consensus. Not all questions with a close vote end up being closed, and taking action to discourage answers before the consensus is reached is counter productive.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:53 comment added Michael Berkowski @Servy Point of voting to close is sometimes to say that the question should be improved. And if it can be, it's spiteful to withhold answers in those cases. Downvotes+closure encourage the OP to improve - and if the question is improved, it can be reopened and might contribute lasting value to the site. In practice do I answer & close? No except for maybe one or two mistakes in the past year.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:48 comment added Servy @MichaelBerkowski If a question is a low quality quesiton that the site has determined shouldn't be answered as those types of questions cause more problems than they solve, then one should not encourage answering it and voting to close. The whole point of voting to close it is to say that the question shouldn't be answered (here).
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:41 comment added Kevin B I would consider this an edge case that should just be flagged for mod attention if exploited.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:25 comment added user1228 I dunno... Is this really an exploitable thing? Because if it is, I'm totally in. For exploiting it, I mean. I just don't see it as one...
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:17 comment added Jim Lewis Sometimes good questions get posted to SO, when they might be a better fit on Superuser or Serverfault. In that situation, I don't see anything wrong with answering, then voting to migrate.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:06 comment added Martijn Pieters So instead what I fear will happen is that answerers will be far less inclined to close vote a post with this change in place.
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:04 comment added Martijn Pieters Sometimes I answer a question, after which someone points out it is a duplicate. I agree and vote to close the post. Nothing untowards here, but now suddenly I have to delete my answer first. I just helped the OP, now I have to take that away to dupe-vote to keep the site reasonably clean. I'm not sure that that is productive.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:59 comment added Michael Berkowski Close reasons don't all imply total unsuitability, some imply long term unsuitability hidden behind the generic term "off topic". A question may still be answerable, even if it's a crappy question. This is why "Too Localized" was abused, and eventually removed, and this is why the "typo or no longer reproducible" off topic reason exists now. You can still answer the question, and still downvote and closevote it, help the OP, and kick it into the Roomba's path. The downvotes and eventual closing indicate to the OP that it was a poor question.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:51 comment added Servy @Mysticial That or merging.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:51 comment added Servy @GregHewgill Yes, but what should be done? Should the answer be deleted, the question closed, the questions merged, etc.? Even if you know that what happened was wrong, it may not be clear what actually should happen. This is the case for the majority of the existing automated flags. The system knows something is wrong, and that some action needs to be taken, but a human needs to determine what the correct response is. If it turns out that there is only one correct response, then a mod flag would indeed be unnecessary.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:46 comment added Mysticial @GregHewgill You answer it first. Then you discover a dupe later on and close it. Though in that case, you might consider deleting your answer as well.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:45 comment added Greg Hewgill @Servy: I just can't think of a situation where a user can legitimately both answer and close a question. I know I've done it, but I probably should have deleted my answer when I decided to vote to close.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:41 comment added Servy @GregHewgill If it's what it takes to handle the situation correctly, that's what it takes. If no automatic action can be decided on as the correct course of action, enabling manual intervention is sometime the next best option.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:39 comment added Greg Hewgill @Servy: That sounds like more workload for mods.
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:36 comment added Servy The other option is to just raise an automatic mod flag, and have them look into the issue, possibly deleting the answer, merging the questions, reopening the question, or whatever.
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