Timeline for A minor change to the description of the "not an answer" flag: "the question" → "a question"
Current License: CC BY-SA 3.0
20 events
when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
May 2, 2016 at 17:54 | vote | accept | Ilmari Karonen | ||
Feb 18, 2015 at 17:49 | comment | added | Ian MacDonald | My usage of "here" refers to "Answers" made to this specific "Question". There are many legitimate questions on Meta. This particular "Answer" is actually intended more as a way to highlight the pitfalls of the existing system when it comes to non-answers and non-questions. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 17:03 | comment | added | War10ck | By "here" I'm assuming you're meaning meta.stackoverflow.com? or stackoverflow.com in general? Either way, it doesn't matter because I agree with you. If a question is stated in a non-question manner, then by definition it's not a question and therefore violates the "Q" of the site's Q&A model. I'm simply arguing that posting a non-answer to a non-question doesn't justify the answer or make it right. It just means both the question and the answer are in violation of the Q&A model. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 16:59 | comment | added | Ian MacDonald | It obviously attempts to answer this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/28549103/… . However, I don't see why posts made here are considered "Answers" if the original post is not considered a "Question". By posting a non-question, the original poster has degraded this system into a reddit-like forum where upvoted "Answers" bubble to the top. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 16:52 | comment | added | War10ck | What question would this attempt to answer? If you have to make up a question for this to be an answer, I'd argue it's not an answer at all. Just my opinion but an answer to me implies a solution to a question. Without a question, it's not an answer so much as it's a general statement, in which case it's off topic and should be deleted. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 16:16 | comment | added | Overcode | I never thought I'd actually laugh at something I saw on SO. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 13:03 | comment | added | gnat | @BoltClock I think that times of no-context-needed rule have gone when Shog established "castle" guidance, expecting moderators to take a look at the question to decide if NAA on a link only answer is valid or not: "one valid exception to this rule... when the question is kinda asking for bad answers". After the system has eroded like that, we better make it explicitly clear that irrelevant "answers" either should not be flagged or that moderators are expected to refer question when acting on NAA flags cast on these | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 10:52 | comment | added | Gilles 'SO- stop being evil' | @BoltClock “The NAA flag is designed to be obvious.” Yes, obvious in context. You sometimes need to look at the question to figure out if the post should be deleted altogether, or converted to an edit, or converted to a comment. Looking at the question is sometimes necessary for an NAA flag. Custom flags are for non-obvious cases, not for a jQuery answer on a C++ question. This kind of case should be a canned flag that feeds into a delete queue (combining VLQ and NAA) and not handled by mods at all. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 10:44 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Gilles: Then that should have been "We cannot do so without having to investigate further". The NAA flag is designed to be obvious. You shouldn't be using it for non-obvious stuff. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 10:41 | comment | added | Gilles 'SO- stop being evil' | @BoltClock “We cannot judge an answer that is flagged as "not an answer" when the only information that we see, that is, the answer alone as well as the question title” I don't get this. In the flag dashboard, all it takes is one click to show the question body, and I routinely do this when a NAA flag isn't immediately obvious. Or do you SO guys get a different interface from the rest of the network? | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 5:09 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | We cannot judge an answer that is flagged as "not an answer" when the only information that we see, that is, the answer alone as well as the question title, suggests otherwise that the answer could in fact be an answer. That doesn't mean we rely solely on a custom flag to determine whether the answer should be deleted - after all, the flagging user could have been mistaken - but it gives me a reason to further investigate the answer whereas NAA means "you don't need to know, just delete it". | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 5:03 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | While it is said time and again that it is not a moderator's place to judge the technical merits of an answer, it is perfectly fine to raise a custom flag, say something like "this appears to be a random clipboard dump and not an actual attempt at an answer" and we will handle it accordingly. The key here is context - a random clipboard dump could either be someone posting a random form for no apparent reason, or it could simply be an extremely poorly-formatted attempt at a code-only answer to the question at hand - we don't know, and that is up to the flagging user to explain it to us. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 4:28 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | In all seriousness, like I commented elsewhere, this is why the canned NAA flag is reserved for content that is unequivocally not an attempt to answer any question in a way that makes sense on the site, no matter the context. "Thanks!" for example is not an answer to any reasonable question except "How do you express gratitude?" which would be off-topic on the site anyway - and besides, the proper way of formulating that as an answer would be "You thank the person" or somesuch. I would hope that the community has no trouble recognizing such answers. | |
Feb 18, 2015 at 4:17 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @IanMacDonald: The original post is not supposed to contain a question. It is tagged feature-request | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:11 | comment | added | Ian MacDonald | The original post does not contain a question. This is at least an answer. | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 21:09 | comment | added | jpmc26 | This is blatantly off-topic on meta, even if it doesn't qualify for NAA. -1 | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 20:48 | comment | added | Deduplicator | @IanMacDonald Also, it is upvoted, meaning the community seems to see it as valuable content... ;-) | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 18:24 | comment | added | jscs | This point was also made on a related question. | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 17:55 | comment | added | Ian MacDonald | This attempts to answer a question, so it shouldn't be deleted. Right? | |
Feb 17, 2015 at 17:55 | history | answered | Ian MacDonald | CC BY-SA 3.0 |