Timeline for Dealing with contributing but abusive users
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Apr 13, 2017 at 12:51 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://communitybuilding.stackexchange.com/ with https://communitybuilding.stackexchange.com/
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Apr 13, 2017 at 12:48 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://workplace.stackexchange.com/ with https://workplace.stackexchange.com/
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Jan 7, 2015 at 21:39 | comment | added | dfeuer | Reputation does not always tell all, but it can tell a lot. Just about any group is willing to put up with a lot more trouble from a member whom they see as essential than one they judge dispensable. | |
Jan 7, 2015 at 17:24 | comment | added | Bruno Lowagie | People with a high reputation often get that high reputation because they are passionate about what they do. There is no passion without temper. The people on SO have a heartbeat, they aren't robots. They try to be friendly, but they don't always succeed, especially when confronted with questions such as "I have tried X and it doesn't work!" without providing a SSCCE, “I have searched the whole internet and I didn’t find a solution!” (and SO doesn't allow lmgtfy links), and "I can not upgrade to the latest version" when they are using a version that has been declared EOL 5 years ago. | |
Jan 7, 2015 at 16:25 | comment | added | tmyklebu | @Trilarion: I, for one, am overwhelmingly in favour of mods applying a standard to users who have demonstrated that they have a clue that is different from that which they apply to other users. | |
Jan 7, 2015 at 15:24 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | @Trilarion - please don't "briefly return a bit of his own medicine", Don't respond, just flag. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 16:54 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @BradLarson I agree that this is so on average. But still favoring high rep users you will always be under suspicion of applying double standards. And you cannot exclude there are actually new users who would react very positive if gently nudged. For me the most important thing is that in case anyone should insult me here I will completely ignore the rep of the insulter and will briefly return a bit of his own medicine and then flag it and let the moderation handle it. The rep of the insulter will have no influence on that procedure. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 15:37 | comment | added | Brad Larson Mod | @Trilarion - Also, in our experience, users who have contributed a lot of quality content tend to be a lot more likely to change their behavior if gently nudged. We approach them differently because we have had success with this. Our interactions with new users who only insult others have not been as positive. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 13:59 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | @Trilarion - true, but I think the situation on SO (and SE) is more like a bar than a court of law. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 13:55 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @ChrisF But this only works to some extent. If you go to a court the penalty is always the same for the same crime independent of who you are (in theory, not in practice though). All in all I don't think that here on SO abusive behavior should be tolerated a lot more from high rep users than from low rep users. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 13:47 | history | edited | ChrisFMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jan 6, 2015 at 13:45 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | @Trilarion - I'm not contradicting myself. If you turned up at a bar you'd never been to before and started shouting at people you'd be kicked out and not let back in. If you did the same at your regular bar you'd probably be treated with more tolerance - at least the first time you did it. Your history saves you from an immediate ban, but if you carried on being abusive you'd soon find yourself out on your ear. | |
Jan 6, 2015 at 13:13 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @ChrisF I think you are contradicting yourself: if the same rules apply then there can be no difference or if there is a difference then probably not the same rules apply... And for the directly affected users there is no difference. I don't feel less abused because someone insulting me has also a high rep number. | |
Jan 5, 2015 at 13:38 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | @Louis - Indeed the same rules apply to everyone. However, there is a difference between a new user who starts out being abusive and an established user who has an otherwise unblemished record. | |
Jan 5, 2015 at 13:36 | comment | added | Louis | It seems to me some people have the impression that when a user has a high reputation on a site, the mods pick up a different rulebook to deal with the high rep user. However, when I read "weigh up the benefits [...] against the harms" in your answer, I read it to mean that in the application of the same set of rules for everyone, a user with no positive contributions to the site (and likely a low rep) won't have any evidence in their case other than the abuse, whereas a high rep user will have among the evidence all their positive contributions to the site besides the harm. | |
Jan 5, 2015 at 13:18 | history | answered | ChrisFMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |