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Dec 22, 2014 at 1:45 comment added Jo Douglass @prpl.mnky.dshwshr I tend towards the improve-not-delete mindset myself, but then I'm too new here to get to make those decisions for real, yet. ;) I believe one of the concerns is that being too "soft" on this sort of issue does nothing to discourage people who are posting low-effort answers hoping for up-votes, and potentially undermines the overall site quality. On the other hand, losing information and scaring off users who could have learnt to be worthwhile contributors seem like valid concerns as well. I don't think this specific case is concerning, but do understand the wider issue.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:35 comment added Jo Douglass @prpl.mnky.dshwshr I'd agree with you if the answers were complete answers or fundamentally different answers, but not in this scenario. The deleted "answer" wasn't a complete answer, it was illustrating something from the earlier answer in order to add more information - it was improving the earlier answer rather than adding an alternate one. Left alone, that leaves two partial "answers" which is less useful than forming them into a cohesive whole.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:24 comment added ely Obviously this is all under the ceteris paribus assumption that the image is contextually relevant to the question. A nonsense image, or inappropriate image, etc., would of course be deleted like any other non-answer post.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:20 comment added ely @JoDouglass I'm not arguing that (images + text) are worse than (just images). I'm arguing that (just images) are better than (no answer / no contribution because it was deleted due to being 'just an image'). That is, "just images," imperfect as they are, still do add value, and can often answer a question usefully without needing accompanying text. That would be a good reason to edit that answer and add text yourself -- but not a good reason to delete that answer and thus destroy the value it added. "Just images" are targets for improvement, not deletion.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:18 comment added ely @JoDouglass I disagree about the one-cohesive-answer idea. Many, if not most, of the SO questions/answers that I personally find most valuable are not fully answered with only a single accepted answer. More often there are multiple highly valuable answers from different people, sometimes with overlapping information, sometimes fully orthogonal to each other. Putting them into one cohesive answer would not alter the value provided in a meaningful way in most cases, and the variety of perspectives that is encouraged by allowing for multiple answers is more useful overall than incenting just one.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:14 comment added Jo Douglass As far as the image issue, it's reasonable to ask that images are accompanied by explanatory text. Blocking of images and accessibility for the disabled are both good reasons which have nothing to do with mindless adherence to rules, and in both cases show how the text does add value. That said I think it would be a shame if someone outright deleted a useful image, removing that information from the site - but that hasn't happened in this case. There's a reasonable midpoint behind deleting all image-only answers regardless of worth and just leaving them as-is.
Dec 22, 2014 at 1:02 comment added Jo Douglass @prpl.mnky.dshwshr Aside from the image issue, surely one cohesive, correct answer is better for future readers than the full answer being split into two "answers"? I dislike rule pedantry myself, but I think there's a good reason for tidying this particular situation up. Improvement of existing answers is actively encouraged, and correcting this to how it should have been done in the first place seems to me to simply be upholding that aspect of the site. (Both as a direct fix, and hopefully indirectly as a demonstration of how to approach such a situation.)
Dec 21, 2014 at 23:10 comment added ely You call them quality standards, I call them anti-quality standards. I will continue to whine on meta any time I see this mindless adherence to "standards" destroying value and wasting time.
Dec 21, 2014 at 23:09 comment added animuson StaffMod Our quality standards say otherwise, and I will gladly delete any image-only answers I see as they are not real answers.
Dec 21, 2014 at 23:08 comment added ely I hear your point -- I am just saying I disagree with it. Images are not for supplemental demonstration only (I can use bold letters to make baseless statements too :D) -- Images can be used as supplemental demonstration but even if they are used as the sole content of an answer that can be very valuable to a wide range of community members, though not all and thus should be encouraged and/or left alone when it serves that useful purpose.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:16 comment added animuson StaffMod That's exactly my point. If you provide a textual description, then screen readers can read text to a visually impaired person. Images are for supplemental demonstration only and should never be the sole piece of an answer.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:15 comment added ely It's also useless for visually impaired people too. But it's also useful to a whole bunch of others.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:14 comment added animuson StaffMod They are very equivocal. An image in itself is a link. An image by itself with no description to supplement it is not a good answer. I agree an image can be useful in depicting where something is located, as long as there is text that also describes its location. There are plenty of people and networks that flat-out block Imgur. So that answer, containing only the image and nothing else, is 100% useless to someone behind a block like that - the epitome of not an answer. I suggested editing it into the other answer because the textual description was already there; no repetition needed.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:13 comment added ely I also feel that we should strive for a more common sense approach to whatever adds value for community users. Not whatever is someone's interpretation of the "letter of the law" so to speak. That the guidelines might say something about "answers not consisting of solely a link" means literally nothing to me (possibly less than nothing) because it is not related to curating items of value. In cases when a link-only answer clearly adds value (say by having many up-votes) it's nonsense to then delete it just because some string of characters somewhere else says to.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:10 comment added ely I disagree entirely -- I also think the equivocation between links and images is a false one. An image can depict an explanation. For example, if I don't know where a certain setting lives in a menu in a certain program, an image (with no textual explanation whatsoever) would be a very efficient and good answer. A link is different in that it does not, in an autological way, describe the problem it is addressing. It has to be clicked an evaluated external to itself to extract info. That's quite different than an image which directly exposes the solution.
Dec 21, 2014 at 22:07 comment added animuson StaffMod Links can also be useful, but answers which only consist of links are still not considered answers. Similarly, an image, whether useful or not, is not an answer. Plain and simple.
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