Timeline for Why was my comment telling a user to learn how to debug removed?
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Dec 10, 2014 at 20:03 | history | edited | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Dec 9, 2014 at 20:46 | history | edited | George StockerMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Dec 9, 2014 at 18:49 | comment | added | Joe | @l4mpi of course, I do it myself a fair bit on questions that are likely to disappear in the next few hours, I haven't actually read the question you are referring to, so I couldn't possibly say for sure that you should answer it or not. My comment is just general advice. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:57 | comment | added | l4mpi | @Joe I'd argue that "please learn to debug, these types of questions are not a good fit for SO" should be a comment rather than an answer, as it does not have anything to do with answering the question. Disregarding that, posting something similar as an answer might have been a good idea in this situation but didn't cross my mind. I usually limit myself to comments on low-quality questions as most of them are close candidates (this one, while not exactly useful, wasn't) and not posting an answer which might be upvoted or accepted keeps it eligible for automatic deletion by the roomba. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:49 | comment | added | l4mpi | @GeorgeStocker I am aware of that, but I don't have an issue with their comments staying but with mine being deleted. I think we should teach users (new and old alike) that they should treat asking SO as a precious, depletable resource, and invest effort not only into asking but into not having to ask in the first place - not teach them they can simply flag people who ask them to please debug the code by themselves. BTW, would you look at the other comments more often for corner cases if would be easier to do so, e.g. adding a button to the flag UI to load them? | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:45 | comment | added | Joe | A much more simplistic way to look at this: All comments should be considered temporary. @l4mpi your last comment you said you were answering the question - post it as an answer then, if someone disagrees with how something is worded, it can be edited and will be allowed to stick around. We don't have this flexibility with comments. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:40 | comment | added | Bart | I'd say it's one of those "depends on how you read it" cases though @l4mpi. "Just learn to debug so you don't need to bother us" vs. "Learning how to debug might help you solve these problems on your own" ... it's not always easy to come across as you intended I guess. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:37 | comment | added | l4mpi | Don't want to derail this further, but as Servy said, it's rather demotivating for me as an experienced user: I'm answering the question and telling the user what he should have done to solve this himself and how to do so. I furthermore tell them why to do that as it's not a good SO question (correct me if that's wrong, but it's just "find my logic error" instead of "find my typo"; hardly useful to keep around). OP responds with unconstructive comments, yet mine are deemed offensive and deleted. If there was an issue with my tone maybe a warning comment would be more appropriate than deletion. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:33 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @Servy I can no longer engage with you on this subject. If you have specific complaints about my performance as a moderator, please take them up with the community team. It appears that any time I answer a question, you're there to criticize my actions. Not only do you disagree (which is OK), but you repeatedly leave comments to engage in further arguments about why I'm wrong and 'not doing my job'. For my own personal sanity, I can no longer engage in discussions in the comments with you, as you've taken it past 'clarification' and into a level that feels like harassment. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:29 | comment | added | Servy | Deleting comments by a user for having the audacity to provide helpful information on how someone could have solved their own problem, out of fear that a new user who's posting insulting an unconstructive comments in response to someone going out of their way to help him might not like it here, is not in line with that core site goal. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:28 | comment | added | Servy | And you should have enough experience with the site to know that one of the core goals when the site was founded was to create a place where subject matter experts would want to come and post answers, in contrast with the majority of the site's competition that pandered to people coming to ask questions. The idea (and one that pretty much crushed all of SO's competition, I might add) was that people coming to ask questions will do what they need to in order to get answers, while experts will just leave if there is a place that treats them better. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:19 | comment | added | Servy | @GeorgeStocker But the new user harassing the experienced user (in response to him going out of his way to try to be helpful, no less) is perfectly fine? | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 17:06 | comment | added | Servy | I'm not saying it should be edited, I'm saying it shouldn't have been deleted. It's fine as is. It would be better with the edit, but it certainly doesn't merit deletion without the edit. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 16:50 | comment | added | Servy | @GeorgeStocker So adding one sentence to a comment that's not useful by its own, even if there are three other sentences that are useful and that support it, means that it should be deleted? So if I can find even one portion of a comment that doesn't add any value I should flag the comment so that the whole thing can be deleted? | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 16:47 | comment | added | l4mpi | Thanks for taking the time to answer, although I disagree with your conclusions. First of all, I did suggest something immediately actionable (use print statements to debug the code) which is "showing the next step"/ "telling them how to debug". And as I said in a comment under this question, I posted the later part to appeal to their productive lazyness, telling the user they are wasting more time by asking SO then it would take to solve the problem themselves. Also, I'd love to close questions like these, but AFAIK they are on topic if they're not too unclear or broad (which this wasn't). | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 16:40 | history | edited | George StockerMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Dec 9, 2014 at 16:34 | comment | added | Servy | I'm asking you to justify why you feel it is appropriate to delete one comment that you feel is constructive merely because of the existence of a second, later, comment that you feel isn't constructive. | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 16:16 | comment | added | Servy |
They're not really constructive comments. One comment, sure So the fact that one of the comments wasn't really constructive means that you should delete the other one that is constructive? Really?
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Dec 9, 2014 at 16:12 | comment | added | Servy | He did tell the user more than just "debug your code yourself" though. He confirmed for him where his problem was, and described the approach that he should have used when debugging to discover/verify that problem. The second comment is also not rude or offensive at all. At most, one could argue that it is moving too far off topic, but if you felt that way, why did you not delete the other 2 comments that are also getting pretty off topic on the same thread of conversation? | |
Dec 9, 2014 at 15:58 | history | answered | George StockerMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |