Timeline for Is this conflict of interest an abuse of closing privileges?
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Jan 5, 2015 at 22:15 | comment | added | Shafik Yaghmour | Are the criteria you use above(more vote, more views, competeness of answers) covered in more detail in another meta post? What level of more views/votes matters, double, triple more? What if the answers are equally complete or close? For example a question I recently answered was closed as a duplicate of a questions with a lot fewer votes and half the views, the answers are close enough to complete in both to be hard to choose a winner, should it be switched around? | |
Nov 21, 2014 at 2:13 | comment | added | jpmc26 | This raises some interesting questions about the gold badge hammers. Essentially, having a gold badge entails the abilities and responsibilities of a moderator, meaning that users with this power should think and behave like a moderator, even though they probably never asked for this power or the accompanying responsibility. Perhaps the hammers are a bit overkill. | |
Nov 19, 2014 at 13:15 | comment | added | Shafik Yaghmour | I agree with you that we should avoid an appearance of conflict of interest but it does blunt the usefulness of the feature for sufficiently active users. Perhaps it would be more useful if the hammer converted to a regular vote to close if the voter has an answer in the duplicate nominated? | |
Nov 19, 2014 at 6:25 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @radiodef no, because they aren't unilateral actions. | |
Nov 19, 2014 at 5:26 | comment | added | Radiodef | Do you think your viewpoint here applies to regular duplicate votes (non-hammer)? | |
Nov 19, 2014 at 0:36 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @MarkAmery /cc George Fair enough. | |
Nov 19, 2014 at 0:09 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @MarkAmery Exactly. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 23:54 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @LightnessRacesinOrbit Besides Andrew Barber's point, I think you're interpreting George Stocker's "could be considered an abuse" to be a euphemism for "is an abuse" when it isn't (to my reading) meant that way. All he's saying (I think) is that some people seeing the closure could reasonably interpret it as an abuse, and whether or not he personally agrees with that interpretation the fact that it's reasonably possible to see that way is a good enough reason to discourage the behaviour because perception is important. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 23:54 | comment | added | Bergi | Hm, I've come across questions with high view count but few upvotes - and likely the question was not about what the googlers searched for (though the buzzwords matched). So I thought votes were more relevant. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 23:50 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @bergi yes; a high number of views/ time usually correlates to a better Google rank for a question, given that most of our traffic comes from Google. The dupe also allows the links to honor rel=canonical; important to maintain Google juice. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 23:46 | comment | added | Bergi | Is the number of views really relevant? I've never considered it when choosing duplicates - I typically rank by quality of answers > votes > date asked. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 19:16 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @AndrewBarber: Mm, perhaps... | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 19:14 | comment | added | Andrew Barber Mod | @LightnessRacesinOrbit This might just be a semantic thing, I think. I tend to think that someone who is "abusive" has more of a pattern of abuse, whereas one can simply happen to abuse something, but not have a 'pattern'. I think that's where George is coming from there. I can see what you mean, too; but now that the semantic thing is explained... | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 16:38 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @GeorgeStocker: Someone who is seen to commit "an abuse" is seen to "be abusive". I'm not sure how else you'd define the term... Sooo yes I believe you did claim that. Sorry if I misunderstood and you didn't, but I am very careful not to make strawman arguments. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 16:13 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @lightness it appears that you're using a strawman argument: I never claimed a person was 'abusive', I claimed that certain actions 'could be considered an abuse of close vote powers.' | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 16:00 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @AndrewBarber Yeah it would certainly avoid the whole problem :) As I said elsewhere, I do that myself. Still, I think automatically categorising someone who doesn't think it's necessary as "abusive" is a reach. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 15:53 | vote | accept | Mgetz | ||
Nov 18, 2014 at 15:38 | comment | added | Andrew Barber Mod | "If it's possible your action will be viewed as a conflict of interest, ask for help." Emphasis mine; that's an excellent point to make. It's not just if it is a conflict - but if it would appear to be. Getting a non-interested party to take the action they think appropriate is always a good idea in these cases. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:44 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Yes, but I think you missed what I was trying to say. You used the term "abuse"; how does that suggest you considered that the user "was trying to be helpful"? This manner of dupe-closing action happens all the time with no community backlash. But now, as of this single example, you're suggesting that any such action would be considered "conflict of interest" and "abuse of power". That's sad to hear and really goes against the good faith requirement. You're just jumping straight to the negative angle. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:43 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @LightnessRacesinOrbit Not at all. I can assume a user was trying to be helpful; but I also have to weigh the impact on the community. If there's a perception that a certain action will result in a negative effect on the community; it's my duty as a moderator to work to curtail that action, no matter the intentions behind it. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:41 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Right, and we're supposed to assume good faith. You are apparently doing the opposite?! | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:38 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | @LightnessRacesinOrbit Not at all; there is also the issue of trust. If the system seems corrupt, then that hurts Stack Overflow as a whole. Yea, they may be imaginary internet points; but that's not all they are -- they're a foundation of trust. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:38 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | I think you may be overstating the "conflict of interest" angle where all there is to gain is a small smattering handful of imaginary internet points. | |
Nov 18, 2014 at 14:36 | history | answered | George StockerMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |