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Nov 19, 2014 at 18:01 comment added user289086 @tepples I think that the information provided in the help center mentioned in this question is well written and reflects good policy. Unfortunately, people going by the material provided in the help center and using that to flag NAA are often having their flags declined - I would be pleased with a change to the wording of the flag. Furthermore, there seems to be a difference between the guidance in the help center on asking questions and the actions of moderators dealing with custom flags. I would like a better understanding of the correct way to handle incomplete, duplicate, and non answers.
Nov 19, 2014 at 17:50 comment added Damian Yerrick I was confused as to whether that line in the help center was something you wanted to abolish through this question. Your reply solves my XY problem issue, leaving a second: What should sub-50 users horrified at the insecure approach described in a question do?
Nov 19, 2014 at 17:35 comment added user289086 @tepples answers are certainly allowed to say "don't do that for this reason; you solve your problem by doing ${something else}" - thats described in how to answer in the help center. However, answers to the question of "how do I use the results of a database query" should not be "you have the possibility of SQL injection in the code" - because that doesn't answer the question or solve the problem of the problem - thats a comment.
Nov 19, 2014 at 17:31 comment added Damian Yerrick If an answer isn't allowed to say "don't do that for this reason; do this instead", then how is a user with reputation less than 50 supposed to deal with questions that show evidence of an XY problem on the asker's part?
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:08 comment added user289086 ... note the help center on writing a good question addresses your point of "The answer can be “don’t do that”, but it should also include “try this instead”. Any answer that gets the asker going in the right direction is helpful, but do try to mention any limitations, assumptions or simplifications in your answer." - so you still did answer the question / solve the problem in that situation. But this isn't an answer to the problem, but a comment.
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:06 comment added user289086 @PerryW I've done things in the past where I've rewritten a (poor) question to one that states the problem better and then answer that (and written about how to do an Atwood transform). Part of the context for this post is another meta post where some comments about the security of the code in the question were brought up, and that was suggested to be an answer - even though it didn't answer the question or solve the problem at hand. ...
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 comment added PerryW One of the best answers I've had on SO didn't answer the question at all, it bypassed the question and and suggested a different approach. Great for me in that specific instance but probably less that ideal for others searching on the question. That's a longwinded way of saying that 'answering the question' may be too restrictive - 'solving the problem' may be more useful
Nov 18, 2014 at 20:02 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 3.0
Introduced NAA, etc.
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:14 comment added Ajean It pretty much just comes down to the fact that you just plain disagree. You want all answers everywhere to be complete (no partial answers!), and the mods are less stringent. I'll just let you complain at them in peace, then.
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:12 comment added user289086 ... and linked a few other instances of this approach being taken ("answer appears to address the question"). The comments in there lead to this Q&A trying to get a better clarification from the moderators about what they believe constitutes an answer. I've provided initial material from the help center to state my point. Until people understand what is (and what is not) an answer, and the documentation is in agreement with that understanding, doing NAA flags can be a crapshoot when cast on answers that happen to address a point in the question without answering the question itself.
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:08 comment added user289086 @Ajean in this answer, "In this case, while not a complete answer; posting an answer comprised of those two comments would be a good idea: It addresses the question; gives good information about what would be an issue with what the user is doing, and provides durability that otherwise might not be there with a comment." - note that it doesn't answer the question. A mod is suggesting that for durable "important" comments, they should be posted as answers instead. I believe this fundamentally conflicts with the help center guidance...
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:06 comment added Ajean Well, you are entitled to your opinion, and the desire to clean up the site is truly a worthy one, I'll support that! However, I don't feel that a slightly looser interpretation of "an answer" than yours means that mods are "suggesting that commentary be posted as answers". That's putting words in their mouths. I think most NAA flags are truly NAA and get accepted, and what you are describing is a tiny sliver of potential answer issues.
Nov 18, 2014 at 0:55 comment added user289086 @Ajean I've had that discussion before. And while the interface for mods may be lacking, it doesn't mean that NAA should be interpreted as strictly as it is currently. Nor does it suggest that mods should be suggesting that commentary on questions be posted as answers (that don't answer the question).
Nov 18, 2014 at 0:52 comment added Ajean @MichaelT You have to keep in mind that the mods don't see the question when they are given NAA flags to examine, so they have absolutely no idea on the technical accuracy or relevance to the question. I'm just saying that the NAA queue for the mods is not the best avenue for the things you're describing.
Nov 18, 2014 at 0:52 comment added user289086 ... the alternative to the NAA flag is to down vote and delete by 20k users (or 10k users on the question). The down votes on answers are often difficult to muster (this often takes place on meta, and people complaining about the meta effect) (and then people complain about lost reputation - compare deleting via NAA with 3+ score grandfathers the reputation in, possibly a better end user experience). I contend that the least painful way to accomplish a better signal to noise ratio is for moderators to not be as strict in NAA (and instead go by the help center guidelines).
Nov 18, 2014 at 0:49 comment added user289086 @Ajean They could be a valid answer on CodeReview, where the charter is to review all parts of the code. However, if I answer a question about the sql injection in the code presented when the question is instead "how do I redirect to a new page after a post" - that doesn't answer the question and instead presents noise that someone coming to the question has to filter out to actually find the answer they came there for. I am concerned about the increased noise - moderators suggesting non-answers being posted and refusing to delete non-answers. With more noise comes reduced participation.
Nov 18, 2014 at 0:41 comment added Ajean Hmm, there is a lot in here I actually agree with, but I feel like a lot of your frustration is hinged upon "Posts that appear to address the question but don't answer the question are not answers.", and that I don't agree with. That's a very general description, which could encompass many answers that do answer the question but are just plain incorrect. What you are describing are not good answers. But also, just because something doesn't fit the very specific confines of the NAA flag doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be deleted/downvoted to oblivion.
Nov 17, 2014 at 23:53 comment added user289086 @pnuts There's no code in there to worry about rewriting - its an example. I'm a proponent of closing the question quickly (easier said than done), and then rewriting it (which may include adding hypothetical code). I do note that this is controversial (+16/-11) in some circles. Yet, once the question is closed, more drastic measures can be taken to make it into a good one that can get reopened. It just happens that in this case, someone went for the 'write code for someone ex nihilo based on the spec in the question' which is... meh.
Nov 17, 2014 at 23:31 comment added user289086 @pnuts I couldn't say for sure... though note the list is "includes" rather than "a complete list of reasons". I would suspect its in part because it really isn't that good of a question and isn't encouraging good answers. The answer to your question is likely found in Should I flag answers consisting only of “No” or “Yes”?. The better approach would likely have been to rewrite the question so it wasn't a "yes/no" question and then fully answer it.
Nov 17, 2014 at 23:22 history edited pnuts CC BY-SA 3.0
Change "Questions" to "Answers" as that seems to make better sense.
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Nov 17, 2014 at 22:42 comment added user289086 @psr yes, they are. And the ideal situation would be to write an answer that follows the guideline of "The answer can be “don’t do that”, but it should also include “try this instead”." But just because a comment is ephemeral and points out some key issues (that aren't answering the question) doesn't mean that just because it addresses the question it would be a good answer. Answers should always answer the question; not provide insight, or a hint, or answer something else that the person thought they read.
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Nov 17, 2014 at 22:01 comment added psr People are often told that comments are ephemeral, and may be deleted without notice. Where should,er, information that is likely to be quite useful to the hundreds of people reading through the answers go, if that information does not happen to include an answer? ("You have a massive SQL injection in your post" is an O.K. example of such information).
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