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May 23, 2017 at 12:38 history edited CommunityBot
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Oct 30, 2014 at 17:16 answer added corsiKa timeline score: 4
Oct 30, 2014 at 16:19 history edited AHiggins CC BY-SA 3.0
Additional comment link
Oct 30, 2014 at 16:08 history edited Scimonster CC BY-SA 3.0
Link to the comment so that others don't have to go searching like i did
Oct 30, 2014 at 14:27 history edited AHiggins CC BY-SA 3.0
Recap the discussion so far and my own decision
Oct 29, 2014 at 19:00 history edited Carl Manaster CC BY-SA 3.0
it's --> its
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:55 comment added AHiggins Which, @Servy, is the argument for not upvoting on question merits alone: it could lead to poor content on the site by potentially encouraging users to continue bad habits, and it could delay or even prevent the kind of automated filter that would stop the users. So does the potential downfall (bad future content) outweigh the benefit of letting the community users and robots know that a question is worth looking at?
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:35 comment added Servy @sgroves The votes matter for more than just the rep though. For example, they are taken into consideration by the question ban algorithm. A user continually providing low quality content without improving should be banned, but if they end up with a lot of upvotes for their very low quality contributions they will end up being able to continually post these questions that are very draining on the community. That, unlike the Imaginary Internet Points, matters quite a bit.
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:18 comment added AHiggins So based on the discussion so far, the disagreement seems to boil down to whether votes are a question-ranking tool or a user-training tool. Based on all the official rules, I'd assume that question-ranking is most important: based on a lot of the comments and votes you see out in the wild, many think they also serve to train users (which the reputation system kind of supports - after all, why have a system of imaginary internet points if not to motivate?).
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:13 comment added user428517 if you think the question is useful, upvote it. it doesn't matter that you edited it. rep on SO is just a number, it doesn't mean anything in terms of your life. who cares.
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:05 comment added ivarni @Servy "The beatings will continue untill morale improves". Either way, shog already said this better than I probably will in one of the answers.
Oct 29, 2014 at 17:04 answer added user289086 timeline score: 20
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:40 answer added Shog9Mod timeline score: 80
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:25 comment added Servy @ivarni But why would they bother if they learn that other people will just spend all of that time on their behalf. If other people are willing to do all of your work for you there is no incentive to do it yourself.
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:23 comment added ivarni @Servy OR it could teach them that a bad question gets DVed with a vengeance while a good question doesn't. They might even look at the revision history and think "Oh, so that's how I should have done it" and then ask a better question the next time around.
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:19 comment added Servy @ivarni To answer your rhetorical question, because it encourages the question author for posting a low quality question and is rewarding them for the effort put in by the editors that are the ones that actually turned the question into something reasonable. This is only going to encourage them to post more low quality questions in the future and to learn that no matter how bad their question is, other people will just fix it for them and they will be rewarded as a result.
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:07 answer added Scimonster timeline score: 17
Oct 29, 2014 at 16:01 comment added ivarni I vote based on wether or not I find a question useful in its current state. I wouldn't put much weight on the revision history. IMO the goal of the votes is to promote QAs that can be useful for other people who comes around later. Votes shouldn't be around to penalize people but to rate the content on the screen. Why care about what revision 1 looked like or who edited it when it's the current revision that's being shown and the content that eventually matters?
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:43 comment added Jon Egerton @Servy: Stop it. I'm agreeing with you!
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:42 comment added Servy @JonEgerton If a question is poorly researched, entirely unclear, lacking sufficient information to be answerable, and requires multiple users making quite a lot of comments over an extended period of time to finally figure out what is actually being asked then that is very clearly not a good question. A question can be good if it has superficial presentation issues that don't impact the ability of the question to be understood or answered. That is obviously not the case here.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:38 comment added Jon Egerton @Servy: I did say "If I felt the question itself had merit". Where it doesn't then you're absolutely right! I was talking more about being forgiving about new users asking good questions without finesse rather than the usual "can you write my code plz".
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:36 comment added Servy @AHiggins Sure. That, too, is something you need to decide for yourself. Considering that people in the same situation can find your answer equally effectively regardless of the score of the question, I personally place very little value on the former.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:34 history edited AHiggins CC BY-SA 3.0
Better description of why I'm asking the question
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:34 comment added AHiggins Which, @Servy, might actually be a better way of describing my quandary: does upvoting a question I consider to be useful and clear matter more than potentially encouraging a new user to post poor-quality questions?
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:29 comment added Servy @JonEgerton Everything that has been described here indicates that they didn't ask a decent question. They asked a very poor question. We don't want to encourage people to ask poor questions. When you encourage people for asking poor questions, you continue to get more poor questions. We want to encourage them to ask quality questions. What is described here is a question that is entirely unclear, poorly researched, lacking in sufficient information to be answerable, and also poorly presented.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:27 comment added Jon Egerton In cases similar to your example, where its a new user, if I felt the question itself had merit (ignoring the bad presentation), then personally I would upvote. A new user who asks a decent question is to be encouraged - they'll learn about the presentation.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:14 comment added Servy It's your vote; you can use it however you want. How anyone here would vote isn't how you need to vote.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:13 comment added Gunaseelan Yes, you can upvote the question. Since it is understandable and can be helpful for others right now.
Oct 29, 2014 at 15:11 history asked AHiggins CC BY-SA 3.0