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Oct 3, 2014 at 15:06 comment added gnat @JonathanDrapeau as someone who was once upon a time at "receiving end" of too-minor rejections, I can tell you that while being faster for single review, it was likely not faster in the long run. It took me quite a bunch of rejections to figure what I am doing wrong - and in the meantime, I was still wasting other reviewers time with low quality edits. Nowadays, system forces me to reject stuff so that suggestor learns to make good edits faster (so that they start making good edits sooner and this saves time of reviewers who can just hit approve)
Oct 3, 2014 at 15:03 comment added Jonathan Drapeau @gnat While I sometime use the custom message, using "Too minor" was faster... I can also put "Too minor" in a custom message but I feel removing "Too minor" wasn't necessary in the first place, it should have been revamped to be more specific on "This edit does not add a proper amount of value to be worth the time it takes to review." or a better worded version of what I've come up with. I can live with the current ways but it's a bit more tedious on some cases.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:59 comment added gnat indiscriminate approval leaves suggestors oblivious about substantial improvements they could have done. Too minor tried to address this, but I like current system better (possibly because I myself learned to edit from my rejected suggestions), current system forces me to show what suggestor missed - either with my own edit, or with custom rejection message
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:45 comment added Duncan Jones @gnat I'm specifically asking what problem it causes when they only edit part of the post and miss the big issue? Sure it's annoying, but is it anything more than that?
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:44 comment added gnat @Duncan wrong is when, as you described, these miss big obvious problem - that's when I hit Reject and Improve and fix that big obvious problem... and I love it (when I can't see what else to improve, things get bit more complicated, and I put effort to decide whether to approve or reject with custom message, but this eventually turned out not really annoying)
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:41 comment added Duncan Jones @gnat In your view, what is wrong with those minor edits? I'm assuming here that you are talking about trivial but valid edits.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:37 comment added gnat I think you've yet to discover a discreet charm of Reject and Edit when reviewing suggestions that fix the trivial stuff and miss the big obvious problem. That was what helped me most in adopting to disappearance of too minor reason. While in the past, too minor led me to essentially leaving the post as is (including that "big obvious problem"), I am now really motivated to improve. It of course helps that since end August, robo approvers can't break my flow anymore
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:35 comment added Duncan Jones @JonathanDrapeau But now the question is merely "is the edit invalid or not". That's a much quicker decision. Reviewers can choose to edit further if they wish, but that has always been the case.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:23 comment added Jonathan Drapeau Yes as the editor will never improve his edits to the point the reviewers won't ask themselves "Should I improve it or just accept... or reject as invalid?". When I ask myself that question for edits of the same user, "Too minor" was an appropriate reject reason.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:23 history edited Duncan Jones CC BY-SA 3.0
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Oct 3, 2014 at 14:22 comment added Duncan Jones @JonathanDrapeau Do you see a downside to approving such edits, now that "too minor" is not an available reason? It seems to me like it cost you a lot of time to enforce the "too minor" rule.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:20 comment added Jonathan Drapeau It did address some edits but not as much as it seems some people say. I see plenty of edits that focus on one problem (from the same user in a short period of time) and doesn't correct other more or less obvious things that need improvement. I used "Too minor" when I saw a pattern from a user that I had to improve all their edits... wasting my time. So I rejected the worst of them that I saw with "Too minor" and tried to tell the user to improve their edits.
Oct 3, 2014 at 14:05 history answered Duncan Jones CC BY-SA 3.0