Timeline for An experiment: Stack Overflow TV
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Nov 25, 2014 at 21:17 | history | edited | Boann | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
migrating hotlinked images to Stack Exchange host
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Sep 7, 2014 at 14:53 | comment | added | Voo | @lpapp Wait, so "I learn better from videos than reading text" isn't a valid argument in a discussion about different mediums for learning things? In that case: When I was young I learned best when someone told me things in German (may be because it's my native tongue), so clearly we should close english SO and all use a German site. I mean if it works best for me it obviously must be universally true? | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 14:42 | comment | added | rybo111 | Interesting that you don't agree with moving images for learning, but find still images appropriate for getting your point across | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 19:14 | comment | added | rocket101 | -1 you are missing the point. Some people learn better by video. It's not stone-age learning, it's individualize learning. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 9:15 | comment | added | László Papp | It would be harakiri from Stack Exchange to go against the heavy objection of the community rather than doing their own SE business separately. Anyway, those people matter who speak up with valid reasons. So far, there has been no objective reason brought up for videos other than "I like it because I like it" as far as I am concerned. I was hoping for some rebuttal, but nothing arose. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 9:08 | comment | added | Benjamin Lindley | @lpapp: "Do you really think the majority wants this to happen?" -- I have no idea. There is not nearly enough data to conclude one way or the other on that. There is almost no data at all. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 9:04 | comment | added | Benjamin Lindley | @lpapp: Most of the people aren't speaking against it. Most of the people who are speaking are speaking against it. But that is a completely different thing from most people speaking against it. Because people who would speak for it are already spoken for, in the OP. Why should they feel the need to say more? If the OP already says something they agree with, they can simply speak their agreement with an upvote. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 9:00 | comment | added | László Papp | There is nothing to speculate about, even if you were correct (which I do not believe, sorry), you can sum up the comments and answers against it, it is very easy to find the trivia. Why do you think most of the people speak against it? Why do you think it is the ever most downvotes and closure obtained question? Do you really think the majority wants this to happen? If the answer is yes, I simply think you are biased, which you are entitled to, but I do not agree with. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 8:55 | comment | added | Benjamin Lindley | @lpapp: All we have are 2 little numbers. Those numbers tell us very little other than how many users decided to click the up arrow, and how many decided to click the down arrow. You speculate on the reasons people clicked the arrows, but I find no reason to believe your speculation. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 8:34 | comment | added | László Papp | and probably the most frequently closed question on meta, too, which is "compensated" by moderator binding reopen votes. Upvotes for the questions mean that it is good to discuss the topic, but about the decision the answers and respective comments speak. Just because I bring up a question whether meta is broken, it may not be broken just because the question gets lots of upvotes since it is worth discussing the topic. This question has by far the most downvotes I have ever seen on meta. Furthermore, it was initially about 1-2% the down/up vote ratio, it is now about 20%. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 8:30 | comment | added | Benjamin Lindley | @lpapp: Perhaps not. Is there a particularly relevant entry in the thread that would suggest the conclusion that you are in the majority? (edit) Well the OP, which suggests the idea, has the most upvotes. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 8:25 | comment | added | László Papp | @BenjaminLindley: have you read this thread without bias? The most upvoted answers say that this idea is a very bad idea, as well as the most upvoted comments. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 8:13 | comment | added | Benjamin Lindley | @lpapp: Why do you assume you are in the majority with this opinion? | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:50 | comment | added | nwp | It makes me sad how How teaching used to work is the way I get taught now and I can only dream about How teaching works now. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:37 | comment | added | dtheodor | Honestly what are you talking about? Youtube is filled with videos that teach programming/tricks/frameworks/whatever and do so very successfully. The medium is fine, especially if next to it you supply materials (slides, code, links, etc.) | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 4:39 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | I don't know, I very much disagree with your "advantages" and "disadvantages" lists. I took the majority of my college classes the "old fashioned" way, in a lecture hall. I found it to be extremely effective. I've also tried to take a few with online video-based "lectures". These absolutely sucked—I cannot learn anything this way. I have tried everything to make it work, after my university went to teaching all undergraduate math and physics classes this way—two of my worst subjects. But it just doesn't. I really can't understand how one can learn from a video. You just need a personal touch. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 23:40 | history | edited | Andrew | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 4, 2014 at 23:37 | comment | added | Andrew | Posts feature request for the ability to use all my upvotes on this answer | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 20:15 | comment | added | DNA | Just the obligatory link to point out that learning styles don't exist | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 17:57 | comment | added | Kendra | @eddie_cat And honestly, the writing the code out after it's been explained to me in a video more reinforces the video's lessons to me. So that's not a downfall in my eyes. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 17:55 | comment | added | Kendra | @eddie_cat I've explained the best I can in my previous comments. I can understand it being hard to conceive it being easier, but it is for me. I can't think of a way to better explain it than I already have, unfortunately. If you don't learn that way, it can be harder to understand, especially with a text-based subject. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 17:51 | comment | added | eddie_cat | @Kendra I'm curious how you find it easier to learn by watching someone program than reading the actual program. I would understand video being more helpful if you were watching someone, say, repair a car and you need to see the moving parts. But in programming everything is textual anyways. I've always found there's nothing more annoying than a video explaining code because then you always have to write out the code yourself if you want to mess around with it anyways. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:48 | comment | added | László Papp | Some people prefer to hit each other with a bludgeon in the head to learn stuff. Sure, but SO is not for these people in my humble opinion. SO is for the objective majority. There was so much speak about SNR, well, do not spread the minority (noise IMHO) on SO. You can go with that to somewhere where it becomes signal. Others suggested youtube, tutorial site, etc. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:47 | comment | added | Kendra | @lpapp Before this devolves into an argument, I suggest we agree to disagree. You learn differently from me. While I understand this, I'm having trouble with communicating it effectively with you. So for now, we should leave it at that. I can only hope you come to understand what I meant in time, but no matter how often I repeat it, if it's not making sense or you don't see it, I can't force you to. (Might I add I was being general? My disagreements were not aimed at SO directly, but at the overall view of learning styles.) | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:45 | comment | added | László Papp | I am afraid I still do not get it. Bad grammar with typo, etc will get downvoted or fixed in no time. It is likely the latter due to the helpful contributors. Therefore, I do not see any problem here, yet I do not see how you would fix issues in a video like that. I am sure some people will not like Q/A style either, or common knowledgebase, just project reference documentations. While those claims may be valid (or not), Stack Overflow is still not for this. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:42 | comment | added | Kendra | @lpapp Again, I know people who have trouble with it. Some people type better than they speak (such as myself) and some speak better than they can type. It's all a matter of the individual. And I'm not talking about I'll miss words in their speech- I'm saying I understand better through watching. Seeing someone do something. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:42 | comment | added | Kendra | @lpapp (cont.) Some people just have to see it happen to understand. Others can just read and get it. Heck, I know people who can see a picture of something, just a plain old picture, and immediately know how to fix things. People are unique, and as such, there are different learning styles. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else. As I said in my first comment, keep an open mind on learning styles. If you don't find videos efficient for you, don't watch them. But why punish those of us who do? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:41 | comment | added | László Papp | ... and you cannot miss words in a talk or the speaker cannot put poorly formatted sentences into speech? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:39 | comment | added | Kendra | @lpapp My definition of better in this case is the same. I can spend two or three hours reading a tutorial without it clicking. Give me a five minute video made with the tutorial, and I'll have it even if I never looked at the tutorial. It's efficient in that it saves me time and hassle. Written text can sometimes be confusing to me, not for any specific reason, but often when I try to learn through reading, I'll miss words or phrases, and that will throw me off. Or the text is written in a way that is poorly phrased, or the text is poorly formatted. It is a real thing. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:35 | comment | added | László Papp | @Kendra: why do you think I am not honest? Anyway, if you really need confirmation, I can assure you that I am. We may have a different definition of better. My definition is efficient. Your definition may be entertaining and that is perhaps we differ? Either way, I am yet to hear objective reasons for videos that people brought up written text. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:31 | comment | added | Kendra | @lpapp Often. We even have an optional subscription for people who do learn better that way, which I do. I'm not saying I can't learn through text, but it always clicks easier for me to actually see someone doing something. It is not just a case of "blind people" and it's wrong to assume such. Everyone learns differently. Do you honestly believe it's impossible for someone to learn better through video, out of curiosity? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:26 | comment | added | László Papp | @Kendra: sure, blind people may learn better through videos, although having said that, there are already techniques for reading text anyway and blind people would be fine with only audio, too, anyhow... So, please give us real and objective reasons why "they learn better through video", and such that outweigh the disadvantages. How often do you watch videos at your company in your main job to learn technical things rather than reading documentation? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:20 | comment | added | Kendra | Doorknob, I like how you've presented this answer. Kudos to that. At the same time, some people do learn better through watching a video, as Luke said in his comment. It's a bad idea to assume everyone learns the same way. I learn best by watching someone do something, then do it myself, personally. Videos are good for that. Keep an open mind on learning styles, friend. :) | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:17 | comment | added | Cypher | Please don't assume you speak for all of us. Some of us enjoy educational videos. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 15:58 | comment | added | Luke Puplett | I don't like how this answer uses "You" when the author means "I". Because I learn tons from videos. Channel 9, MS Build events, YouTube, (television?) I heard Khan Academy is quite successful. I find it odd how people can say they don't learn from someone actually showing them. But I work with a really bright physics post-grad who hates videos, so I think this is a personal thing. Don't like videos? This product won't be for you. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 15:58 | comment | added | Rakuen42 | People learn in different ways. Some learn better by reading, others by hearing, by seeing, or by doing. A text transcript would cover the first, an audio recording the second, a video component the third, and the end-user's own attempted application the fourth. This idea doesn't take us back to the "technology stone age." It presents information so everyone can benefit from it in whatever way works best for them. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 15:30 | comment | added | Palec | @Praveen Dijkstra taught algorithms and data structures mainly, AFAIK. Coding and technologies are different things. Especially as the videos are going to be code-heavy, I must join those who doubt whether video is a good platform. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 14:37 | comment | added | Matt Burland | I don't know? Could you maybe put your answer in the form of a video? I find those much easier to digest! ;) | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 7:51 | comment | added | Dennis Nolte | >Typing is a lot faster than writing < depending what you write it might not be faster without experience, (Math f.e a lot of unusual characters , draw some graphs). Not everyone is typing with 10 fingers. For the rest: agreed. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 7:31 | comment | added | László Papp |
You can't annoy people by making screeching noises with your fingernails on a chalkboard -> yiiikes, I have just heard that noise in me!!!
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Sep 4, 2014 at 6:41 | comment | added | Burhan Khalid | Typing is a lot faster than writing - I don't know about that one, I find getting my ideas down is quicker on paper, but writing prose is faster on the keyboard. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 6:39 | comment | added | Praveen | Your answer reminded me Edsger W. Dijkstra. Dijkstra eschewed the use of computers in his own work for many decades. Almost all EWDs appearing after 1972 were hand-written; Even after he acquired an Apple Macintosh computer, he used it only for email and for browsing the World Wide Web | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 5:29 | comment | added | Kumar KL | +1 please don't bring technology back to the Stone Age. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 4:15 | comment | added | Anonymous Type | +1 for railing against the production of videos, and using a picture of "teaching future state" that contains a room full of large screen flat panels. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 2:03 | comment | added | Daniel | It sounds like these productions aren't meant to be tutorials or documentation - "the viewer should know whether this is a technology they want to pursue further." Meaning this isn't teaching specifically, but rather an introduction of some sorts. They should probably include a transcript so that those who want can search through the code etc, and maybe links to specific sections of the video, but I don't think video form is a bad idea for those who learn visually and through auditory means, or those who just want an introduction to a technology | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 1:16 | history | answered | tckmn | CC BY-SA 3.0 |