Timeline for An experiment: Stack Overflow TV [closed]
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Aug 4, 2018 at 6:47 | history | closed |
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Aug 4, 2018 at 5:13 | comment | added | Donald Duck | According to meta.stackoverflow.com/a/320538/4284627, this project was dropped so I'm voting to close this. | |
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Jan 27, 2016 at 15:53 | comment | added | Knossos | I would typically agree with most of the comments here. Agreeing mostly with Kuba. That said, I do see some value in this. I find short to medium length presentations of that sort quite nice when I am cooking in the evening. I have watched many a 100 days of Android whilst cooking a curry. | |
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Apr 23, 2015 at 8:30 | comment | added | CRABOLO | Any status on this? | |
Oct 2, 2014 at 14:48 | comment | added | Nathan Parker | I can't wait for it. | |
Sep 22, 2014 at 2:30 | comment | added | Caffeinated | @Happy - Joel to me is like Jon skeet and John Carmack and other smart folk. It'd be nice to have coffee with them, but otherwise yeah i agree - just regular folks. Am I impressed? sure, good works. | |
Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 | comment | added | Caffeinated | I guess some eye-candy, sounds, and moving stuff never hurt. But gotta echo Kuba... it isn't likely to become too useful to us programmers. we're readers | |
Sep 22, 2014 at 2:21 | comment | added | Caffeinated | Edgar Allen Poe methinks. "it was the best of times it was ..." wait wait wrong one | |
Sep 9, 2014 at 3:59 | comment | added | sampathsris | [Off topic] @Happy: It's perfectly all right that you and your friends to not know who Joel is. I also agree that it should not be a priviledge to work with him. But joelonsoftware.com. BTW who the heck is Edgar? | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 16:39 | comment | added | faster2b | Hi, when you publish the video, please add subtitles. thanks | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 14:21 | history | edited | David FullertonMod |
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Sep 8, 2014 at 12:58 | comment | added | Masked Man | @MattSherman Right, so mention that as the incentive, not some irrelevant garbage about some Joel. I asked a couple of people around, and hate to break it to you, this Joel is nowhere close to being so famous that he is recognized only by his first name, unlike Edgar, for example. Somewhat amusingly, you seem to have entirely ignored the point I highlighted in bold in my previous comment. | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 12:55 | comment | added | logic-unit | popcornjs.org could facilitate adding code demos and textual data to accompany the video | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 10:35 | answer | added | Alec. | timeline score: -2 | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 9:38 | comment | added | mhouston100 | I understand people not liking video tutorials for actual help, bit i would love to be able to kick back and hear about a new technology while Im eating breakfast. If you can get the production value and a decent length, ill tune in for sure. Would the be offered through existing channels (like youtube)? I prefer to throw them on the TV! | |
Sep 8, 2014 at 9:17 | history | reopened | LauraStaff | ||
Sep 8, 2014 at 0:02 | comment | added | asteri | I wouldn't mind having Stack Overflow video series for specialized technologies. Like if I wanted to learn Maven or Spring or Ivy or Hibernate... I mean, I'm sure there are already video tutorials out there, but Stack Exchange has a reputation I trust, rather than some random dude on YouTube who might or might not really know what he's talking about. | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 23:33 | history | closed |
bjb568 nawfal Fraser user128511 phadaphunk |
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Sep 7, 2014 at 20:45 | comment | added | Matt Sherman StaffMod | @Happy It’s important that the incentives are the same as SO itself, which is a desire to contribute. It’s Creative Commons, and if we do it right it’ll work well alongside Q&A. We’ll make money to the extent that SE makes money, which is that we sell advertising. We don’t have any particular ad plans for the videos, we need to walk before we run. | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 16:23 | comment | added | codeandcloud | we want shop.stackoverflow.com back first :( @Happy: who is Joel??? Blasphemy ain't allowed here!!! | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 16:07 | comment | added | Masked Man | What's in it for you? You don't get any speaker fees, but you get to work with Joel and SO team., sounds too pompous bordering on arrogant. By the way, who is Joel? A Nobel Prize winner? Why is it a "privilege" to work with him? | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 12:46 | comment | added | Simon Whitehead |
I think everyone's objections here can be fixed by re-titling this StackExchange TV. Then you can have a #developers channel. That way, the "StackOverflow isn't a place for this" arguments are invalid - since its branded as StackExchange.
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Sep 7, 2014 at 7:24 | answer | added | Evgeni Sergeev | timeline score: 1 | |
Sep 7, 2014 at 4:50 | comment | added | Mitch Wheat | " We are not offering speaker fees, " : - Flawed business model. You get what you pay for. And presumably SO will be making money from this venture? | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 20:53 | comment | added | javathunderman | Stack Overflow isn't about giving people programming lessons; it's a Q&A network for SPECIFIC errors, problems, questions, etc. Plus, many people here would like to have some sort of experience in the community, and not it being flooded with newbie coders, especially when there are better websites to fit that bill. (I.E. Codecademy, Gribbon, etc.) | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 19:52 | answer | added | EdSF | timeline score: -1 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 19:28 | answer | added | bondkn | timeline score: -4 | |
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Sep 6, 2014 at 17:52 | answer | added | rocket101 | timeline score: -2 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 17:13 | answer | added | Andrew Grothe | timeline score: -4 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 16:55 | comment | added | 0xC0DED00D | Youtube for programmers, YEYI!!!!! \o/ :-p | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 16:53 | answer | added | 0xC0DED00D | timeline score: -2 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 13:53 | answer | added | exebook | timeline score: 5 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 10:21 | answer | added | RosscoGiordano | timeline score: -13 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 9:45 | review | Close votes | |||
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Sep 6, 2014 at 4:41 | comment | added | Factor Mystic | Video tutorials are useless. Take any this polished content generation idea and turn it into interactive tutorial pages instead (think Bret Victor style). Never videos. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 2:49 | answer | added | brasofilo | timeline score: 2 | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 2:18 | comment | added | mickzer | This could be potentially brilliant... Videos are extremely useful for learning a new technology as you have the human aspect of being able to learn from another person which I think is much more fun than reading articles on the internet... However it's not possible to copy and paste from a video... So maybe a video with some written documentation would suffice? | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 1:52 | comment | added | Dawood ibn Kareem | Not quite sure why I have to travel to New York in order to make a video. It's a very long distance from my home, and it's situated in a country that I don't like very much. There must be video-making equipment closer to my home than this. | |
Sep 6, 2014 at 0:31 | answer | added | Andrew | timeline score: 0 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 21:50 | answer | added | Kevin | timeline score: 4 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 21:47 | comment | added | Andomar | Not saying it's a bad thing, but is this an attempt to monetize Stack Overflow? I imagine Microsoft would be willing to pay for a Windows Mobile promotion video. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 20:52 | answer | added | Preet Sangha | timeline score: 3 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 19:40 | answer | added | regilero | timeline score: 5 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 19:06 | answer | added | Nirav Bhatt | timeline score: -1 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 17:05 | comment | added | Cypher | @KubaOber "Videos are the ultimate tool of the illiterate. I don't quite like the message you're sending here." What's with the offensive attitude? I don't quite like the message you are sending here. Who are you to make such broad sweeping allegations like this? Video is just another information exchange format. Those that find the format useful are by no means illiterate. If you don't like the idea, don't participate in it or use it. Otherwise, please stop making unfounded assumptions about the rest of the world. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 15:45 | comment | added | Sourabh | If you guys are actually going to do something like this, I'd prefer small tutorials. SO has some of the best explanations I've ever seen. More people should know about them. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 14:36 | comment | added | user146043 | I can't work out whether this suggestion was six months too late for the last April 1st or is six months too early for the next... | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 14:34 | answer | added | user50049 | timeline score: 91 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 12:37 | history | reopened |
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Sep 5, 2014 at 11:44 | comment | added | user247702 | To all people who are discussing whether this post belongs here, please come join us in this discussion on MSE: Should Stack Exchange Inc promote its pet projects on meta sites?. That way the discussion here can be about the actual content of the post. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 11:34 | comment | added | sampathsris | @animuson: This is brand promotion. I don't see why it's on topic. Just because it's got "StackOverflow" in it does not make it on topic. Can I create a "Stack Overflow Hardware Store" or something and post it on Meta.SE? To reiterate myself, Stack got their own blog and ad space to do this. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 11:01 | comment | added | Gandalf | This is a bad idea in the long run. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 10:59 | history | closed |
OrangeDog Daniel Daranas Patrick Hofman Kami Mr_Green |
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Sep 5, 2014 at 9:49 | comment | added | Eduard Luca | @KubaOber, we're trying to get a Tutorials site up and running over at Area 51, but apparently not enough people are interested. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:28 | comment | added | l4mpi | @Krumia that's exactly my point, why not start this as something related to SE instead of restricting it to SO? Then it could more naturally branch out to other topics. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:26 | comment | added | Peladao | Nerds on TV? You gotta be kidding me | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:23 | comment | added | Reporter | Even though I agree with some opinions that is not nesseccary for SO, I'm open enough to give it a try. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:00 | comment | added | sampathsris | @l4mpi: Well, SE started as SO, then generalized to StackExchange. Maybe SOTV will generalize into SETV. But your point about bad close coupling with SO is really valid. | |
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Sep 5, 2014 at 8:35 | comment | added | l4mpi | Also, please do not use the name "Stack Overflow TV": First, this could be applied to the rest of the SE network - just as SE started with programming and then expanded, the video concept could be expanded to other topics; don't make this harder by branding it with the SO name. Second, a close coupling with SO would also make it even harder for noobs to understand what SO the website is about, and why we're closing their broad/off topic questions. Third, whatever you do, find a web2.0 word to use instead of "TV" as "TV" has a bad taste of big media corporations and crappy content. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:18 | comment | added | l4mpi | @animuson I'm tempted to closevote for one simple reason: OP says "questions and comments are welcome" but does not actually interact with any of the responses. There has been no sign of OP despite the two comments he posted shortly after the question, and the "oops, mail address should work now" edit. An SE employee should know you don't ask a question and then leave for 2 days; and without any interaction from somebody who actually has anything to do with this project, it's not appearing to seek a discussion with the community but feels more like an announcement with upvoteable comments. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:10 | history | reopened |
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Sep 5, 2014 at 5:59 | comment | added | sampathsris | You have a blog and ad-space, which is the ideal way to promote your own things. BTW, videos should be a "philosophy-heavy and code-light" medium, not a "code-heavy and philosophy-light" medium, because it's PITA to manually copy code from the screen to text editor. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 4:23 | answer | added | Aaron Belchamber | timeline score: -4 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 4:04 | answer | added | Karl Bielefeldt | timeline score: 3 | |
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Sep 5, 2014 at 2:29 | answer | added | HostileFork says dont trust SE | timeline score: 23 | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 0:45 | comment | added | usr | @Cypher try searching for some phrase being spoken in the video. You won't find it. A Google search incorporates the document text in addition to the title. Text is important for relevancy. | |
Sep 5, 2014 at 0:20 | comment | added | user207421 | I assume SO isn't just doing this for its health? I don't see any reason why presenters shouldn't be paid for their efforts, and incidentally you would find that a lot simpler from the Intellectual Property point of view, as it becomes a work for hire. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 23:39 | answer | added | disappointed in SO leadership | timeline score: 34 | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 22:13 | history | reopened | Ry-Mod | ||
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Sep 4, 2014 at 21:58 | comment | added | Kent Fehribach | Maybe if it had some overlay or side bar window that allowed the code or other text to be copied/viewed/searched. I'd like to see that all code shown is actually text piping that can be replayed in an IDE with some plugin. I guess I get the desire to get into video when you see the success of sites such as PluralSight. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 21:11 | comment | added | MxLDevs | I like video tutorials or demos. If I can learn to cook through videos then I'm sure I could learn to code? Plus, webcasts have been happening for awhile now. Are these videos meant to be different? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 20:31 | comment | added | animuson StaffMod | Seriously people? Stop voting to close this for asinine reasons. It's perfectly on-topic and just because you don't like the idea isn't a reason to close it. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 19:12 | comment | added | Slapout | Just like every program grows until it can read email, every web site expands until it shows video. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 17:08 | comment | added | Rachel | @KasraRahjerdi Because it's meta... the mob here is always angry and out for blood :) | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:44 | comment | added | TimSPQR | An "experiment" is an experiment, a test, a try, an attempt, a trial. I find the writing in programming to be mediocre at best. Sometimes the YouTube videos are very helpful in understanding the thought process as the programmer writes the lines of code, and then talks about the rationale for a particular command or element. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:36 | answer | added | ken2k | timeline score: 38 | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:35 | answer | added | Adam Davis | timeline score: 26 | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:34 | comment | added | Kasra Rahjerdi Staff | I haven't personally been a part of the discussions that have lead to this idea, but if it's what I think it is I'm in huge favor. I routinely attend conferences because I love being able to hear about new technologies/methods from people who are passionate about them, and it's a lot easier to convey that via voice than through a Q&A format in text. I wouldn't expect SOTV to be a replacement for Q&A, just a nice way to get more in-depth knowledge. I don't quite understand the fervor here, to be honest. Why is everyone so angry? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:22 | comment | added | Cypher | @usr What are you talking about? google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+to+search+the+internet&tbm=vid | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:06 | comment | added | usr | The Stack Overflow homepage is Google. This will no longer be the case for videos. They are not discoverable, not searchable and not efficiently consumable. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 16:05 | comment | added | usr | I never understood where the video epidemic on the web is coming from. Why can't a tutorial be 2 pages of text with images and code instead of 5 min of talking? | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 15:55 | comment | added | xDaevax | Seems like this would be an issue for anyone who did not speak the language spoken in the video. No copy / paste Google translate. Will it be offered in different languages? | |
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Sep 4, 2014 at 14:57 | answer | added | ses | timeline score: -7 | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 14:11 | comment | added | user247702 | @TheMuffinMan if there's any company that does a whole lot of things poorly, it's Google. They cancel products all the time after those products have acquired a large userbase when they're no longer interested in the product or when the size of the userbase is too small in their eyes. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 14:08 | comment | added | Clément Malet | Most comments seem to be like "It's better to have something written, to use/try/copy-paste". Of course, it is. But as someone traveling ~3 hours per day (bus, train, ...), I spend quite a few time watching such videos, to discover new concepts, etc. And, I can't imagine myself reading things for hours in transports ... I think it has some potential | |
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Sep 4, 2014 at 6:42 | comment | added | Burhan Khalid | Now you know what's going to happen next right? Questions on stackoverflow - about some video they saw on SOTV :/ | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 4:44 | answer | added | trlkly | timeline score: 559 | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 1:32 | comment | added | Andrew Thompson | I have a Youtube channel, but avoid actually watching any videos (including my own channel) because my 'mobile internet' (can't get cable) costs me an arm and a leg.. Have to say I'm not enthused about the entire concept of 'teaching by video' either.. | |
Sep 4, 2014 at 1:16 | answer | added | tckmn | timeline score: 228 | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:59 | comment | added | The Muffin Man | @CodyGray But does Google do 100 things poorly? I think some companies have what it takes. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:55 | comment | added | Gilles 'SO- stop being evil' | I'll second @Doorknob that a text version is more useful than a video. But such a large amount of text is too much for a quick read, yet too small for a book. How about breaking it down into chunks of manageable size, perhaps organized as questions and answers? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:53 | comment | added | User.1 | Fantastic idea ! I'm in. E-mail on the way. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:37 | comment | added | Simon Whitehead | While I don't disagree with the text versions (they are good too!) I find it strange that other developers don't like video tutorials. I love video tutorials for quickly seeing the results of a framework/technology/language. Once I watch a couple of quick videos I have a good idea whether or not I want to pursue that particular thing - and if I do I'll move on to text tutorials. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:32 | comment | added | David Robinson | I'm a fan of the idea in theory. I think asking interested speakers to contact an email address that bounces is not a good start. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 22:26 | history | edited | Matt ShermanStaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 3, 2014 at 21:28 | answer | added | Rachel | timeline score: 142 | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:27 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | What a terrible waste of resources. Where did this idea come from that you can't stick to doing one thing really well, that you have to branch out into doing 100 things poorly? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:21 | comment | added | Mahn | No compensation at all for the speaker besides travel expenses seems a bit cheap for something you intend to have the production values of a TV show. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:16 | comment | added | bjb568 | I think there needs to be one on Vanilla JS DOM manipulation. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:09 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @Rachel I agree with your idea of having something entertaining and giving a glimpse of how the process of "stackoverflowing" works from various angles - those of askers, answerers, reviewers and mods. That'd be entertaining and engaging. Having a yet another source for technical tutorials done as videos - not much. Some vfx/gfx live coding tutorials are useful, everything else is meh. IMHO. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:06 | comment | added | BraedenP | @MattBurland I agree. Complimentary textual resources would be great for people who like to follow along and get some hands-on experience. For example, a MongoDB introduction could include links to downloads and installation processes for various environments, as well as sample data sets, queries, and commands designed to demonstrate MongoDB's strengths and weaknesses as a platform. Alongside a human discussion and live demos, this could prove to be a much richer introduction than scrolling through a 10,000-word web tutorial. These would be quite resource-intensive for the SO team, however. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:03 | comment | added | László Papp | @Rachel: that is what I was writing in the very beginning, too, that is socializing and entertainment then, and not focused Q/A. That is good for conferences to keep the spirit up, but it is not Q/A focused. Perhaps, that is fine, too, as long as it does not pop up for me to check and I can easily avoid it without extra effort, but then it is not a real Q/A oriented subsite. Having said that, I would still prefer spending time on more pressing issues, like this stat. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 21:01 | comment | added | László Papp |
I still do not get the I know others who see them as invaluable part. Video is good, but writing is not? How will they write code themselves or learn from official documentations, etc?!
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Sep 3, 2014 at 21:01 | comment | added | Rachel | @KubaOber :) Was just an alternate suggestion. To me, video is entertainment, not reference material/education. And personally I'm of the camp that hates video tutorials. So when I hear "SO TV", I imagine watching an entertaining/intelligent programmer browsing SO and answering questions, while keeping up an educational/entertaining commentary on what they're doing and why. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:59 | comment | added | Matt Burland | @Doorknob: It needs to be more than a literal transcript. It needs text that compliments the video. The link that basher included looks like a good start for the kind of accompanying text that is needed. It should include good descriptive text of what's covered in the video along with code snippets as appropriate that can be cut and pasted if you want to follow along. Nobody wants to have to try and pause the video and retype the code! | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:57 | comment | added | tckmn | If this happens, please include a transcript for those of us who would prefer plain text over a video. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:56 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @Rachel Wait a minute, now it's about videos of people while they answer SO questions? Are we all even on the same page? | |
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Sep 3, 2014 at 20:52 | comment | added | basher | @MattBurland Is correct. Having a good text accompanying the video is key. Railcasts' ascii casts do a great job at that: railscasts.com/episodes/417-foundation?view=asciicast | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:51 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @lpapp gocomics.com/foxtrot/2010/02/21 :) | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:51 | comment | added | Rachel | I share the opinion that videos were for entertainment, and text was for education. If you do want to make SOTV, I'd suggest focusing more on the entertainment value with a huge dose of education, rather than focusing solely on the educational purposes. I watch Twitch.tv streams a lot (people playing video games), and would probably enjoy some good personalities browsing and answering SO questions, while keeping up an entertaining running commentary that also educates me on the detailed hows and whys of the problems they solve. Hrm maybe I should post this as an answer... | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:51 | comment | added | BraedenP | @KubaOber Then I must be fundamentally misinterpreting the intention of this project. I understood "complimentary resource" as an intention to appeal to people who are not wholly satisfied by SO's current Q&A offerings. It seems fruitless to re-hash the current format into a video, so I was imagining alternative formats that could help people who are not looking for specific, technical examples. But maybe such a resource belongs elsewhere like Khan... | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:48 | comment | added | Abe Miessler | My email bounced as well. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:47 | comment | added | László Papp | Can we record the new versions of JAvatar and Javazone on Stack Overflow TV? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:44 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @BraedenP If this is about entertainment then I think we have nothing further to discuss, because it's seriously offtopic. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:43 | comment | added | Rob Moir | I can't help thinking this is in "Your idea is bad and you should feel bad" territory. I can't think of a worse format to absorb technical information. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:43 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @BraedenP Here's an interesting observation from a conference of people who work on literature: most of the talks are read. As in: they write the talk, with proper English, punctuation, structure of argumentation - the whole deal. Then they read it. And you know what? One listens to it much better than to most talks full of umm, hmm, incorrect grammar, lost lines of reasoning, etc. The production value is in the content, prepared and written as text. The visual and audible aspect is entirely optional. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:43 | comment | added | BraedenP | @KubaOber What if the speakers and hosts add entertainment value through funny/interesting discussion? Watching videos is much less efficient than speed-reading through a bunch of text, but some people (dyslexics and other people who have trouble reading and understanding dense, technical texts) would undoubtedly be thrilled to learn through a more engaging format. It may not be useful for you (and probably not myself, either), but this is a community resource, and I think that many users stand to benefit from this kind of content in video format. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:42 | comment | added | Brad | Do the people traveling to NYC get to be chewed out by Joel on camera for comedic effect? I suspect this will be less about programming and more about Punk'd-ing people | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:40 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @BraedenP And you can read that same information in one minute, when given it as text. I agree that the content may be offtopic on SO, and that's why I've said above that it should be a subsite or sister site. SO-Overviews, SO-Tutorials, or something. Never mind that such videos will be by definition inaccessible to those who can't see well. Captions don't do the job, you'd need to transcribe all the slides/snippets too. All the while you already have it accessible when presented as text. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:38 | comment | added | BraedenP | @KubaOber Books are an excellent resource for in-depth exploration of a topic. What a short 5-minute video can do is explain what a particular field of study entails, why it is useful, and terminology required to find books and other resources that will facilitate further study. These abstract/broad kinds of content do not belong in SO questions and answers, though, so videos might be a nice conduit for that type of content. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:36 | comment | added | László Papp |
@KubaOber: perhaps they will integrate onelineocr.com or something. Ah, lpapp, do not forget to smile, so here it goes: :)
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Sep 3, 2014 at 20:35 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @BraedenP It used to be that people wrote books on various subjects - in times when it was just as hard to edit a book as it was to edit a video. Nothing says a tutorial can't be written. I claim that everything that can be presented in a programming video, short of demo clips, can be presented much better in written form. Programming-related videos are crazily wasteful when it comes to content vs. bandwidth, even when looked at from the human perspective, not the link perspective. In 1 minute you could probably read the script for 5+ minutes of video. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:33 | comment | added | László Papp | @BraedenP: huh, so we need the too broad, off-site recommendation, lacks minimal understanding, etc close reason for videos then, too? Please do not bring that category back in video format! | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:32 | comment | added | BraedenP | @lpapp When you have a narrow, specific problem that you need help with, you're correct: videos are too verbose and difficult to quickly distill useful information from. What live discussion can do, however, is illuminate new areas for people. For someone just starting out in AI or data analysis, for instance, the field of neural networks may be a deep void for which they lack the tools to explore. These kinds of videos could equip viewers with a general overview and the terminology required to seek the answers they require. I think they'd be a valuable asset to the community. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:31 | comment | added | gunr2171 | @Ipapp, new privilege at 500k, and you need good video editing skills. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:29 | comment | added | László Papp | As opposed to written SO material, will you be able to tell the speaker later that he said something foolish, and how will he be able to correct the video then? You will pay him again to fly there and re-record it lol? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:29 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | There are also those who see cplusplus.com and "Learn <language> in 20 Days" as invaluable. Just sayin'. :) | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:28 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | About time. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:26 | comment | added | Shog9 | Different people learn in different ways, @Kuba. I don't find videos particularly useful myself, but I know others who see them as invaluable. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:25 | comment | added | Shog9 | No silver bullet, @Lightness. Any opportunity for improving the educational opportunities are worth considering, given the scope of the problem. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:21 | comment | added | mason | I like videos. I found Microsoft's Build and TechEd videos very demonstrative in showing off new functionality that I had thought was too complex, but actually turned out to be quite easy with someone demonstrating it. I tend to load these videos up into my media server and watch them at my leisure. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:16 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | I do wonder whether it would be a better use of resources to fix SO's existing and ever-worsening problems. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:16 | comment | added | JoshVarty | FYI: My email to [email protected] seems to have bounced. See: i.imgur.com/2LKH2BM.png | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:14 | comment | added | László Papp | I could not agree more with @Kuba. Videos are the last resort for me when looking for canonical help. It is only more appealing as a way of socializing at conferences and have random questions answered, but as a reference material it is awkward to learn from since it is inefficient for said reasons. Sorry for spoiling the fun, but would it not be better spent time to fix the outstanding issues with SO that many of us keep bringing up? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:05 | comment | added | RevanProdigalKnight | Who's going to give a presentation on EBCDIC? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:58 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | inb4 the Unicode Robot on TV | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:57 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | TRWTF is endorsing the abbreviation "Stack" in this post >.< ;) | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:56 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | TED talks are "one step above" the production values of "an episodic TV show"? Blimey, what are you watching, 1970s Doctor Who?! | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:55 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | Videos are the ultimate tool of the illiterate. I don't quite like the message you're sending here. It'd be much more useful for the potential speakers to write instead, and have some sort of a long-form SO or SE sub-site where such tutorials would be welcome. Just think of the controls available when reading text. There's no ^F nor a table of contents for a video presentation. You can't copy-paste from it. It's just seems to be about the most counterproductive medium for educating a programmer. Most of us read much faster than anyone can talk, you know. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:44 | comment | added | idmean | @BenjaminGruenbaum See the 5th comment. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:37 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | I'm guessing you're not covering inter continental travel? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:37 | comment | added | TRiG | There have been plenty such meta questions, @Mrchief. "Stack Overflow is getting a place of its own" comes immediately to mind, but there are many many others. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:35 | comment | added | Kendra | @Mrchief You must have missed the "Volunteer" post sometime... Last week, I think. ;) | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:35 | comment | added | Sterling Archer | I nominate Zirak to speak on behalf of JavaScript. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:31 | comment | added | Matt Burland | By all means go for it, but I'm not personally a big fan of video tutorials. Videos are really hard to "skim" to get an idea of whether or not it's something I want to spend time watching. If you do them, please make sure there is a decent text synopsis sufficient to give a (potential) viewer a good idea of the content and level. Even better would be some index points so you can skip to the part you want. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:31 | comment | added | gen_Eric | I think I'd watch these. I love listening to the StackExchange podcasts :-) | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:27 | comment | added | Zane | How often do you plan on putting out one of these videos? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:22 | comment | added | Mrchief | This is probably the first question in the history of StackExchange where the OP is looking for "questions" instead of "answers"! | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:21 | comment | added | AJ Henderson | Any thoughts of doing a live version if you get well known speakers? You can always do re-shoots of parts after the fact to clean it up for the archival episode, but having a live stream with interactive questions could be quite interesting, perhaps as a later thing after it gets going successfully. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:20 | comment | added | gparyani | youtube.com/stackhq | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:04 | comment | added | gunr2171 | So Jon Skeet is going first, right? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 19:02 | comment | added | Praveen | Wow!! Great to hear about the next level of SO. Can we suggest Speakers(maybe in future)? | |
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Sep 3, 2014 at 18:51 | comment | added | Qix - MONICA WAS MISTREATED | Brilliant! /length | |
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Sep 3, 2014 at 18:35 | comment | added | Anthony Pegram | This "question" has overcome my kneejerk reaction to downvote everything. Good job, sounds interesting. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 17:53 | comment | added | Matt Sherman StaffMod | @KateGregory Time scale is next several months to start. Developing and rehearsing and coordinating travel put it on that timeline, realistically. If it’s successful, we continue indefinitely. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 17:51 | comment | added | Matt Sherman StaffMod | @MartijnPieters Yes, we’ll accept applications from anywhere. Our first choice is that we catch people while they happen to be in NY. Covering travel is to help people get here who we really want to do a talk, and who otherwise couldn’t make it. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 16:38 | comment | added | Kate Gregory | what kind of timeline is this? next few weeks, months, over the next year? Some of us are pretty booked up, especially for volunteer work. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 16:30 | comment | added | Servy | Would it be possible for members of the community to weigh in on the writing of some of these presentations, without actually giving them? I'm sure that there are a lot of people here that are knowledgeable enough on a topic to write about it without being able to actually go and do the presentation, or who might be able to add value in technical editing of a script. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 16:29 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters | And by cover travel expenses you mean proportional to the distance travelled, right? E.g. those outside of the U.S. could apply too? | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 16:21 | comment | added | Tim Stone | Huh, that seems pretty nifty. Shame I don't have anything particularly interesting to talk about. :( | |
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