Timeline for What's too broad about "all the possible operations that could cause a NaN"?
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Oct 18, 2017 at 17:47 | comment | added | jrh | I understand that not all users are willing to take the time to explain a spec in plain English in their own words, but in general I disagree that everyone posting on SO should have to study the spec for everything before asking; that seems like overkill especially since some of these specs are behind a paywall, and/or bloated with outdated/esoteric information, "please don't sue me if it doesn't work" legalese, or terminology that only a compiler writer/hardware designer would know or need to know about. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 10:37 | comment | added | tmyklebu | @EJP: Sure. But that means the rule should be "if there's a spec, provide an interpretation and for the love of god also a reference" or thereabouts, rather than "if there's a spec, don't repeat it." My initial failure to do so was an oversight on my part. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 10:27 | comment | added | user207421 | @tmyklebu Agreed but we are discussing 'questions like this', not abstruse things buried deep in specifications that are only comprehensible to implementors. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 10:18 | comment | added | tmyklebu | @EJP: I dunno about "otiose"; as I said, some specs cost money, others are hard to follow, and it may not be obvious which specs are applicable in the first place. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 9:58 | comment | added | user207421 | @Donaudampfschifffreizeitfahrt That is a complete and utter misrepresentation of what I said, for which there is absolutely no excuse. My point is that when a normative reference or specification is applicable (as per your own final sentence, which isn't too different from what I wrote), it is otiose to quote it, and even worse to paraphrase it. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 8:48 | comment | added | Theolodis |
@tmyklebu I do not know the IEEE 754 (c++ programmer), and I am sure not many people actually do. But that makes an answer on SO, with a link to the specification!!!!, even more useful ;)
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Aug 27, 2014 at 8:43 | comment | added | tmyklebu | @Theolodis: Yes, but whether it's reasonable to expect the asker to understand the specification varies with the specification. IEEE 754 is pretty simple---I probably could have answered with a link and a few pointers about interpretation. C++, for example, is not simple---have a look at the language-lawyer tag. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 8:33 | comment | added | Theolodis |
Aren't most (or at least many) questions on SO solvable with the help of the specification? I've seen a ton of questions a la "Why does operation X(YZ) not work", while reading the documentation reveals that the required parameter would have been ΨΩ . Edit: I agree with @Donaudampfschifffreizeitfahrt
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Aug 27, 2014 at 8:29 | comment | added | Cjxcz Odjcayrwl | Your point seems to be, if there is anything anywhere that would answer the question, it should be off-topic. I think otherwise, the StackOverflow should be the first place to look for an answer, with exception to language basics and API specifications. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 8:02 | comment | added | tmyklebu | @Bart: Because I didn't think of that. (Why didn't I think of that? Because I'm apparently daft.) | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 7:41 | comment | added | tmyklebu | This is a good point, and I almost agree with it. The gap I see is that (0) specs can be expensive, (1) people don't always know which specs are relevant and which aren't (the use of NumPy here means you're getting native arithmetic, not Python arithmetic), and (2) specs aren't always easy to interpret. The IEEE spec is reasonably clear---section 7 of the IEEE spec talks about exceptions and how they're handled---and I could have done better to either transcribe the relevant part more accurately or give a pointer to the spec itself. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 0:50 | comment | added | user207421 | @Bart I agree, that's exactly what should be done, as opposed to posting extracts, even verbatim, and certainly as opposed to posting mangled paraphrases. | |
Aug 27, 2014 at 0:07 | comment | added | Bart Calixto | why don't point to the specification as an answer ? I'm really asking | |
Aug 26, 2014 at 23:29 | history | answered | user207421 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |