Timeline for Can we make this meta site work for mentoring?
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Aug 21, 2014 at 18:30 | comment | added | Kendra | @JoshCaswell I think we do- I think we're having our own mini-language barrier. As I stated in the comments of the question I linked- I see a lesser Meta question being closed as duplicate as fine. But one where the asker has thoroughly explained why they do not understand the feedback they received on SO based on their understanding of the help center should stay open and receive positive feedback. (On that note, I did originally upvote your answer; it is well written and I agree with most of it.) | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 18:27 | comment | added | jscs | Sure; maybe we agree more completely than we think then, @Kendra. Helping someone understand the verbiage in the help center is definitely a good task for a Meta question. Just so long as we're focused on the content of the Meta post, not the poster's mentality. | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 18:19 | comment | added | Kendra | The case I mostly see my point applying to are non-native English speakers who have read the help center and applied how they understand it to their question, and demonstrate it in their Meta post, but either due to the language barrier have missed something, or completely understand it and are missing something A) not covered in the help center or b) in translation that is making their post come across as failing the help center guidelines. | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 18:17 | comment | added | Kendra | @JoshCaswell "trying hard enough" is not quite what I meant. What I meant is they have gone through the help center and applied it to their question to see what they are lacking in, which is why the question I linked is a perfect example in my eyes of a question which thoroughly shows the asker has an understanding of the help center and wishes to positively contribute to the community through applying it their post. Most of the ones I've seen show exactly what I describe in my second comment, and are much more deserving of throwing the canned advice at. | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 17:05 | comment | added | jscs | Some of what you've said is exactly what I'm warning about in my first two paragraphs, @Kendra. We've already seen the view that a person "deserves help" because he's "trying hard enough" cause trouble on SO. Effort is not the criterion; the manifestation of effort is what counts: a clear, thoughtful, and reasonably general question. | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 12:57 | comment | added | Kendra | (cont.) or two. If the question is just a link, what it was closed as, and "how do I fix it?" then close as a dupe of canned advice. That goes double for the generic "why did I get downvotes" posts- Unless they make a clear effort to show what they've done to try and improve their post, they should've looked at other questions first and taken that into account. Perfect example of a well-done question that deserves the extra help: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269135/… | |
Aug 21, 2014 at 12:55 | comment | added | Kendra | I also agree to a point. I feel that closing most questions in this department as a dupe is productive- Where it comes counter-productive is where users have clearly read the help center, tried their hardest, and just can't make the canned advice work. In that case, it would be more beneficial to the OP and to the community to give individualized help. If their post on Meta can adequately reflect their will to learn, and show that they have indeed read and tried to understand the help center, then they should be rewarded for that hard work with personalized help on a specific question | |
Aug 20, 2014 at 22:12 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod |
I agree... to a point. The whole purpose of mentoring is to (for the most part) help people through their forum misconceptions, and they've been working with those useless bastards for so long that their #OldHabitsAreHardToBreak
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Aug 20, 2014 at 22:09 | history | edited | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Oops, wrong link.
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Aug 20, 2014 at 21:59 | history | edited | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Aug 20, 2014 at 21:36 | history | answered | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |