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If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answerBrad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answerapaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO properpit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answerRachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


  

*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/ (Though the question was solid already; only the title needed a little work.)

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


 

*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/ (Though the question was solid already; only the title needed a little work.)

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.

 

*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/ (Though the question was solid already; only the title needed a little work.)

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If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/179038/http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/ (Though the question was solid already --already; only the title needed a little work.)

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/179038/ (Though the question was solid already -- only the title needed a little work.)

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269359/ (Though the question was solid already; only the title needed a little work.)

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If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/179038/ (Though the question was solid already -- only the title needed a little work.)

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

If we're going to make this work, these Meta "mentoring" questions have to be held to the same quality rules we have for everything else. Eight thousand questions titled "How can I improve my question?" with the same contrite personal fluff about becoming a better member in the body, and no reflection about the contents of the target question, are not going to make Meta or Stack Overflow a better place. They're going to turn Meta into what critics already accuse it of being: an elite clubhouse where if you don't genuflect and grovel properly you're bullied into leaving.

We cannot focus on whether the Meta poster is new, or sorry, or arrogant, or anything else -- we must keep the emphasis on our subject matter: the way that Stack Overflow works.

This isn't an interactive help forum any more than SO proper is. In this regard, I disagree with Brad Larson's answer. Meta questions are still technical questions, they just don't have computer code as their topic. They still require expertise to answer, and a lesser degree to ask. They still need to be well-researched, specific, clear, to the point, and interesting to answerers.

Equally important, they also should be useful to the future -- I think you, Jon, were touching on this with your bolded sentence

Can Meta Stack Overflow constructively answer the example questions about debugging and asking strategy?

(emphasis on "the example questions" mine), and apaul34208's answer proposes this too. Yes, we talk about s here, but ideally as illustrations or points of data -- not as the sole subject of a post. To be even more explicit, making "what's wrong with MY question" a regular topic here on Meta will turn the nascent "mentoring" meta tag into the pit of quicksand that we already deal with in [regex] on SO proper. (Rachel's answer would be a great way to sidestep the problem entirely.)

We can see this coming in a way that perhaps no-one did there, and if we're going to put this material on Meta.SO, we should get out ahead of the problem and strive from the beginning to create really useful canonical posts about common difficulties people have in using the site.* This may not mean creating them from scratch. We can edit the heck out of the questions that "mentoree" users post, and make the answers polished and applicable to others.**

Meta, like Stack Overflow itself, cannot exchange question quality for sympathy. If we truly think that these "mentoring" questions need to be personalized guidance sessions for each lost lamb then my answer is "No, we can't make it work here on Meta". But I think there are other things we can do instead.


*Whereas for SOA, I believe heading in the "canonical posts" direction would have produced a uselessly ossified archive, they should fit in just fine on the already-thriving Meta.SO.

**We're off to a good start already! http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/179038/ (Though the question was solid already -- only the title needed a little work.)

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