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Can we please stop pretending that the Meta effect is undesirable or harmful?

If a post that deserves a downvote comes to my attention, I'll give it the downvote it deserves. If it deserves an upvote, I'll upvote. So should everyone else. That is the intended use of voting.

At worst the meta effect is neutral; posts aren't getting any votes they don't deserve. At best it's useful for site moderation -- questions in need of closure get there faster, discouraging off-topic answers.

I do like JonK's suggestion of providing a snapshot, so that everyone is discussing the same version of the question. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from anonymization.

If we need to improve the UI to educate users that voting is an assessment of technical quality and not a personal attack, let's do that. But don't try to inhibit voting.

Perhaps it would also be good to decay the influence of votes after an intervening edit, to help users recover from an initial bad draft (but then let voters cast the vote again if they feel it still applies). This should be done in such a way that it addresses negative scoring posts regardless of how they got views -- a "meta effect fix" does nothing for posts which are downvoted during the time they appear on the front page (or publicized with a share link and reddit or twitter) and are later improved. If a negative score makes fixing a post hard, that isn't the fault of the meta effect.

Can we please stop pretending that the Meta effect is undesirable or harmful?

If a post that deserves a downvote comes to my attention, I'll give it the downvote it deserves. If it deserves an upvote, I'll upvote. So should everyone else. That is the intended use of voting.

At worst the meta effect is neutral; posts aren't getting any votes they don't deserve. At best it's useful for site moderation -- questions in need of closure get there faster, discouraging off-topic answers.

I do like JonK's suggestion of providing a snapshot, so that everyone is discussing the same version of the question. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from anonymization.

If we need to improve the UI to educate users that voting is an assessment of technical quality and not a personal attack, let's do that. But don't try to inhibit voting.

Perhaps it would also be good to decay the influence of votes after an intervening edit, to help users recover from an initial bad draft (but then let voters cast the vote again if they feel it still applies).

Can we please stop pretending that the Meta effect is undesirable or harmful?

If a post that deserves a downvote comes to my attention, I'll give it the downvote it deserves. If it deserves an upvote, I'll upvote. So should everyone else. That is the intended use of voting.

At worst the meta effect is neutral; posts aren't getting any votes they don't deserve. At best it's useful for site moderation -- questions in need of closure get there faster, discouraging off-topic answers.

I do like JonK's suggestion of providing a snapshot, so that everyone is discussing the same version of the question. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from anonymization.

If we need to improve the UI to educate users that voting is an assessment of technical quality and not a personal attack, let's do that. But don't try to inhibit voting.

Perhaps it would also be good to decay the influence of votes after an intervening edit, to help users recover from an initial bad draft (but then let voters cast the vote again if they feel it still applies). This should be done in such a way that it addresses negative scoring posts regardless of how they got views -- a "meta effect fix" does nothing for posts which are downvoted during the time they appear on the front page (or publicized with a share link and reddit or twitter) and are later improved. If a negative score makes fixing a post hard, that isn't the fault of the meta effect.

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Ben Voigt
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Can we please stop pretending that the Meta effect is undesirable or harmful?

If a post that deserves a downvote comes to my attention, I'll give it the downvote it deserves. If it deserves an upvote, I'll upvote. So should everyone else. That is the intended use of voting.

At worst the meta effect is neutral; posts aren't getting any votes they don't deserve. At best it's useful for site moderation -- questions in need of closure get there faster, discouraging off-topic answers.

I do like JonK's suggestion of providing a snapshot, so that everyone is discussing the same version of the question. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from anonymization.

If we need to improve the UI to educate users that voting is an assessment of technical quality and not a personal attack, let's do that. But don't try to inhibit voting.

Perhaps it would also be good to decay the influence of votes after an intervening edit, to help users recover from an initial bad draft (but then let voters cast the vote again if they feel it still applies).