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I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems "decent" isn't good enough and someone knows "excellent" is unattainable, that person may give up on bothering with "decent" and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -N (and your question will still be answered). This is probably particularly true WRT duplicates -- why bother looking for them yourself if you know the system will supply them for you?

The question is likely answered in either case (definitely answered, in effect, if it's closed as a duplicate) because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems "decent" isn't good enough and someone knows "excellent" is unattainable, that person may give up on bothering with "decent" and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -N (and your question will still be answered).

The question is likely answered in either case because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems "decent" isn't good enough and someone knows "excellent" is unattainable, that person may give up on bothering with "decent" and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -N (and your question will still be answered). This is probably particularly true WRT duplicates -- why bother looking for them yourself if you know the system will supply them for you?

The question is likely answered in either case (definitely answered, in effect, if it's closed as a duplicate) because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

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I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems clear "decent" isn't good enough and someone knows "excellent" is unattainable, then some people willthat person may give up on aiming for "excellent" andbothering with "decent" as well and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -1N (and your question will still be answered).

The question is likely answered in either case because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems clear "decent" isn't good enough, then some people will give up on aiming for "excellent" and "decent" as well and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -1 (and your question will still be answered).

The question is likely answered in either case because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems "decent" isn't good enough and someone knows "excellent" is unattainable, that person may give up on bothering with "decent" and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -N (and your question will still be answered).

The question is likely answered in either case because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.

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wholerabbit
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I would guess people who do this don't care much about points, or the broad goals of S.O., so what will happen is they'll just open a new user1234 account rather than deal with whatever hassle.

Actually, perhaps they would care about points, but have had their attitude shaped by the attitude of the community at large, which could be perceived as more eager to punish a poor effort than it is to reward a decent one. If you create a climate where it seems clear "decent" isn't good enough, then some people will give up on aiming for "excellent" and "decent" as well and just put in a minimal "poor" effort.

To explain further: although the upvote arrow tooltip says:

This question shows research effort; it is useful and clear.

It is very obvious that the vast majority of viewers do not upvote questions that are reasonably well drafted, show some research effort, might be useful to others, etc.1 Consequently, you can spend time writing a "decent" question and get a 0 (but your question will be answered), or you can spend much less time and get a -1 (and your question will still be answered).

The question is likely answered in either case because new users who ask poorly structured questions are likely also asking fairly easy questions and other users will jump on them in search of a tick or some points.

So, while a "bad questions course" is not a bad idea, I am dubious as to how effective it will really be in most cases. How worthwhile that makes it isn't for me to answer.

1. Either that or the vast majority of viewers do not consider themselves qualified to judge a "decent looking" question, but know a bad one when they see it.