Timeline for Stop mob-downvoting users on the main site for their actions there and their opinions on Meta
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Jun 20, 2019 at 15:15 | comment | added | MilkyWay90 | How are "roboreviewer" and "PHP" evil? | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 21:07 | history | rollback | TylerH |
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Jun 29, 2015 at 21:06 | history | rollback | TylerH |
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Aug 12, 2014 at 4:18 | comment | added | Shog9 | I don't care how you find the posts as long as you're evaluating them based on the individual merit of each in context and not prejudice based on past impressions of the author, @tripleee - and yes, that's really hard to do sometimes, but if you can pull it off more power to you. Not a fan of going through profiles looking for a few posts to downvote (or upvote) and ignoring those that don't meet this criteria though. | |
Aug 11, 2014 at 17:18 | comment | added | tripleee | Actually, I was playing devil's advocate there for a while. I find that it's actually helpful for quality assurance as well, not because I particularly want to dis a particular user, but because poor performance in one context is often indicative of poor performance elsewhere, too. I am inferring that you think this is bad, but I am not sure I agree. Isn't improving the overall quality of the knowledge base a legitimate activity? Even if it means identifying some users as negative assets? | |
Aug 11, 2014 at 17:11 | comment | added | Shog9 | Because the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages, @tripleee: transparency, potential for use as a portfolio of sorts, and simply giving folks the ability to read more by a favorite author are all good things - that some folks occasionally abuse this is unfortunate, but not worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | |
Aug 11, 2014 at 15:16 | comment | added | Matt K | I would downvote you for your cheap shot at php but the rest of your answer is reasonable. | |
Aug 11, 2014 at 9:04 | history | rollback | Lightness Races in Orbit |
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Aug 11, 2014 at 7:49 | history | edited | Alma Do | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
As stated below: I believe, "php" tag has nothing to do with the issue (and that may be treated offensive by people of this tag)
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Aug 11, 2014 at 5:53 | comment | added | tripleee | If you really think we should not be linking posts to persons, why is it possible to see a person's questions and answers from her/his/its/php profile page? | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 20:04 | comment | added | Jason C | @Shog9 Aside from the tiny bit I was just referring to, the bulk of this post is spot on. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 20:02 | comment | added | Shog9 | Some people are going to do it anyway regardless of what I write, @Jason - that's why the bulk of my answer concerns strategies for not unintentionally encouraging it, rather than preaching at the folks who probably aren't reading this. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 19:59 | comment | added | Jason C | @Shog9 Then maybe it's more worthwhile to say "If you are going to check a users' list, be sure to upvote good questions as well as downvote bad ones" instead of saying "Don't check a users' list". People are going to do it anyways so you might as well try to add positive behavior to the existing behavior, instead of trying to stop the existing behavior. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 19:57 | comment | added | Shog9 | It's not implied because it's often simply not done, @JasonC. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 19:56 | comment | added | Jason C | @Shog9 My answer to that is and always has been: Yes, absolutely; at least as far down their list as I'm going to check for bad ones too. Sorry, I thought that was implied. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 19:29 | comment | added | Shog9 | My response to that is always, "Are you going to upvote decent posts too?" @JasonC. Because if not, then it's not really the same thing as organic votes, is it... | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 18:58 | comment | added | Jason C | I.e. if bad posts would have gotten down-votes had they been noticed anyways, is it really a bad thing to do this? It's unfortunate for that user that attention was drawn to the posts, and that the inevitable votes came in a short time span instead of over a very long period, but is it really anything more than just "unfortunate"? If you pretend there is a giant "todo" list of all posts that deserve downvotes, this seems more like the equivalent of just moving some of those items to the top of the list, but still with the same overall end effect. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 18:54 | comment | added | Jason C | In general, though, isn't it reasonable, upon seeing a bad post by a user, to take a look at their profile and see if there are any others? If the motive is site clean-up rather than personal attack or "revenge", the profile page of a user whose post raises a red flag can sometimes be a good shortcut list to other bad posts (which just happen to be by that same user, and really are just a small focused part of the larger set of all bad posts). It's sometimes an efficient way to locate low-quality posts, no? | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 18:03 | comment | added | Shog9 | Ira, in my experience, tends to bring this on himself, @Cupcake. There's a limit to what I can do about that. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 17:36 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | Cupcake, hope the emotional mob doesn't start downvoting you for preaching to them. They are not following logic right now. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 16:33 | comment | added | user456814 | FYI, Shog, Ira Baxter appears to be the target of some (so far light) lynching recently as well. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 14:21 | comment | added | user456814 | @Shog9 I'm actually curious to know if the downvotes come from high-rep Meta users (who should know better than to engage in this kind of behavior), or if they actually come from lower-rep users who aren't frequent Meta participants, and just happened to stumble their way into Meta through the Community Bulletin. Or if they are frequent Meta users, but are lower-rep and thus "wouldn't know better" anyways (well they still should, but it's less surprising that they wouldn't). No need to name names, just a breakdown of number of 10k+ users vs non-10k+, and whether they're active Meta users. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 4:33 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Shog9: Even if you don't link to the person, people are going to visit their profile from the post page and attack them anyway. So it's all or nothing. | |
Aug 10, 2014 at 1:31 | comment | added | jimSampica | What if we could create links that would go to "anonymized" pages. You could put the link under the "share" button in the question/answer. The question would have user-details removed but retain everything else. Wouldn't prevent the determined people from bandwagoning but would definitely help with "drive-bys". This would also make it easier to edit meta questions to be anonymous. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 21:55 | comment | added | Shog9 | I'd never wish to discourage folks from linking to examples of a problem they're concerned about, @Benjamin - if you're gonna claim something is happening, you owe it to folks to show them. But linking to one person is rarely necessary, and does tend to lead to folks attacking the person rather than discussing the problem. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 21:25 | history | edited | raven | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
sorry, I know it's trivial, but I couldn't handle that sentence ending on a preposition [crap, missed the 5 minute mark]
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Aug 9, 2014 at 21:20 | history | edited | raven | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
sorry, I know it's trivial, but I couldn't handle that sentence ending on a propostition
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Aug 9, 2014 at 13:55 | comment | added | CRABOLO | If anyone is thinking "What about these Jon Skeet meta posts? Aren't they specific to a single user?". The answer is No! Jon Skeet is not a person, but rather an idea whose time has come! | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:37 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | @Cupcake I agree, it's not possible to cover 100% of cases and sometimes you do want the context. I think it would be nice to make anonymizing opt out rather than opt in. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:35 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | When you post a link to a question/answer/comment/revision history/edit the usernames appear as "userXXXXXXX" and are not links? | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:34 | comment | added | user456814 | @BenjaminGruenbaum there's value in linking to actual contexts too, however. Anyone else could go look through the profiles of the users that I used as examples, and verify that the downvotes they're getting do indeed look like they're due to the users' Meta activity, and aren't just because of normal main site activity (the recency, or lack thereof, of their posts). That's the upside. I've thought about anonymizing everything, but then no one can verify that I didn't completely misunderstand a situation, which has been known to happen on Meta | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:33 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | @BenjaminGruenbaum: Yes, you focussed only on content and didn't spur the Meta effect into action. Such attempts are most of the times successful in avoiding Meta effect. Any ideas how "default anonimity" can be implemented? It would be a very useful feature-request indeed. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:24 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | @InfiniteRecursion I spend considerable amount of effort "anonymizing" myself, I end up working in order to do it and then apologizing and asking in the comments to not make it about the specific user here ARE some examples . I believe anonymizing the post linked to should be the default in meta. Otherwise we usually end up witch hunting like OP described. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 6:22 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | @bjb568: If someone is determined to find the editor..yes..can be found. But atleast the author made a sincere attempt IMO. The sincerity of the author was remarkable enough to make it the first example that came to my mind. As opposed to people who unleash Meta effect on users when they have already been told how a problem should be resolved. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 5:26 | comment | added | bjb568 | @InfiniteRecursion "Those who really want to anonymize are already doing it" Bad example. The user in the flag screenshot is clearly visible with the question timestamp. Not necessary tho as the user only has one question. After that it's not hard to find the editor. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 4:16 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | Attribution: I borrowed "inviting mob to attack" from Shog. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 4:08 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | @BenjaminGruenbaum: Those who really want to anonymize are already doing it..On the hand, some users are "inviting the mob to attack" by calling out users on Meta despite already having all the possible solutions earlier in another identical post. The answers were for every occurence of the incident | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 3:09 | comment | added | John Dvorak | @BenjaminGruenbaum does Gimp count as an anonymisation tool? Or do you want something more prominent? | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 20:13 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | It would still be useful to get tools that aid in preventing it (anonymizing for example). | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 19:46 | comment | added | Shog9 | Well, Cupcake is alarmist, but there is also a tendency for meta to generate attention @Deduplicator. Of course, you can generate plenty of attention by posting a link into chat too, which Cupcake also demonstrated. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 19:29 | comment | added | Deduplicator | @Cupcake: Oh, well. I so hoped you were alarmist there and animusons comment explained it all. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 19:23 | comment | added | user456814 | @Deduplicator the question already had several downvotes on it when I went to go look at the user's profile to check if she was still receiving downvotes on her posts. She was. A lot of those downvotes were already there before I linked to it in chat. My point was that it looked like someone else purposefully went digging through the user's profile for stuff to downvote. In the bigger picture, however, especially in my second example, I think it's clear that there is mob behavior going on here on Meta. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 19:18 | comment | added | Deduplicator | @Shog: Did you see animuson's comment about what really happened in this case? Because that looks like it wasn't really targeted at the user, especially not through her answer on meta. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 18:52 | comment | added | Kendra | Shog for president! Best answer. Ever. Now if only every meta user would actually read and obey this answer... | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 18:51 | comment | added | dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten | 'Pejorative terms like [...] "php" ::chortle:: | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 18:44 | history | edited | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Aug 8, 2014 at 18:39 | history | answered | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |